Suicide-Bombing for Jesus

[SallyF]

The Philistines brought Samson out before a great crowd of rulers and thousands of people gathered in the temple to celebrate his capture. Samson's hair had begun to grow back and as he leaned against the pillars of the temple, he prayed to God for strength once more to defeat the Philistines. Samson used all of his might and pushed down the temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines and rulers. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... lilah.html

"Killing HIMSELF and THOUSANDS ..." of people from another culture.

It's in the "Word of God".

Could it be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus ...?

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 9 by Overcomer]

Islam teaches that the only sure way a person can get to paradise is to die performing an act of jihad.

THAT IS UTTERLY FALSE.


But one may understand that an utterly false claim by a senior Christian could lead youthful Christians who have been brainwashed in Sunday School and coloured in the picture of the biblical superhero who had his superpowers restored by praying to the mythological Jehovah, could justify following a clear biblical precedent and take it upon themselves to become suicide bombers for Jesus in response to the false claim by the senior Christian.


If nothing else, your false claim highlights just how dangerous religious delusion and fantasy can be.

[Jagella]

Jesus tells us that we are to love our enemies, not kill them, and that it is faith in him and his sacrifice for us that opens the door to eternity with him.

Well...does it work? Do you love your enemies? It seems strange to me that anybody can love another person because they are commanded to do so. I think that we love others whom we find to be lovable. If they are our enemies, then obviously they are not lovable as far as we are concerned. In addition, if I say I love somebody because I wish to be rewarded for loving them, then I think it's more likely that I'm loving myself than anybody else.

[FWI]

Could it (the story of the destruction of the Philistine temple) be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus...?

Of course not! And, to even suggest such a thing shows unreliable research…

The main reason God permitted Samson to destroy the Philistine temple was that they practiced human sacrifices in it. These human sacrifices were part of the "great sacrifice" to Dagon, their false god, which occurred after Samson was captured. A secondary reason was the answering of Samson request to have vengeance on the Philistines for treating the Israelite leader the way they did. Hence, by giving Samson the power (again), God showed that the Philistine's god was a fraud!

So, the story is surrounded by God's decree that He would give the land of Canaan to the descendants of Abraham, as an everlasting possession. They surely have been displaced, because of disobedience in the past. But, Israel still exists today…Hence, the struggle between Israel and Philistia was all about a region of land and dominance over it.

However, the Christ did not come to restore Israel to great power or offer them the dominance, which they sought, because if he did, they would be ruling the world today! Thus, anyone who would be involved in "suicide bombings" would be acting contrary to the will of God and His Son. Where, the main intent of "suicide bombings" is a political one, not a spiritual one. Which, was what the Christ was introducing…So, being a part of the modern world's ways (murder for gain) was not taught by the Christ or his followers.

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 13 by FWI]

The main reason God permitted Samson to destroy the Philistine temple was that they practiced human sacrifices in it.

So it really happened.


This is real history.


The very real ethnic Jehovah deity restored the magical superpowers to the ethnic superhero and …


The superhero turned into a mass-murdering suicide-martyr …


Because another ethnicity was practicing a religion they disagreed with.


By finding an excuse for doing so, you have legitimised brainwashed Sunday School children growing up to find an excuse for doing the same to followers of other religions.


Let us imagine (we are really GOOD at imagining here) the children of Christians killed by a Muslin suicide-bomber were looking for biblical legitimisation for revenge bombings, they will find it right here in the BIBLICAL tale of the suicide-superhero Samson.


SURE, other Christians will find other passages to counter it - they always do - but that doesn't make a jot of difference to what other Christians believe - just look at the squabbles over "scripture" here.


The Samson story is very clear - as you have demonstrated by you declaration that it is historical - and can't be successfully hidden under "poetry" and other excuses.

Suicide-bombing for Jesus COULD be legitimised by the use of this very clear, Jehovah sanctioned, Jehovah enabled, non-poetic mass killing of followers of an alternative religion.

[SallyF]

Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Couple this with the suicidal superhero Samson precedent and we have a formula for suicide bombing for Jesus.

Given the human propensity for belief without question or evidence outside so-called "scriptures", the suicide-bombing for Jesus mission would be quite straightforward for a charismatic preacher to sell in certain communities.

Martyrdom is revered in Christianity - as it is in Islam.

Christians believe in Heaven - just like Muslims.

The Quran has no precedent for suicide bombing - the biblical writings do.

Believers believe in the evidence-free notion that the Quran and the Bibles are the "Word of Gods".

And you can fool some of the people all of the time.

[Bust Nak]

Of course not! And, to even suggest such a thing shows unreliable research…

Take about mixed signals. You say that but the rest of the post reads like justification for mass killing under the following circumstances:

1) Stopping blasphemous rituals of false gods.
2) Vengeance over disgraceful treatment of leadership figure.
3) Displaying superiority over false gods.
4) Setting land dispute.

[Elijah John]

The Philistines brought Samson out before a great crowd of rulers and thousands of people gathered in the temple to celebrate his capture. Samson's hair had begun to grow back and as he leaned against the pillars of the temple, he prayed to God for strength once more to defeat the Philistines. Samson used all of his might and pushed down the temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines and rulers. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... lilah.html

"Killing HIMSELF and THOUSANDS ..." of people from another culture.

It's in the "Word of God".

Could it be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus ...?

There is no evidence that Samson ever received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

[Tcg]

The Philistines brought Samson out before a great crowd of rulers and thousands of people gathered in the temple to celebrate his capture. Samson's hair had begun to grow back and as he leaned against the pillars of the temple, he prayed to God for strength once more to defeat the Philistines. Samson used all of his might and pushed down the temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines and rulers. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... lilah.html

"Killing HIMSELF and THOUSANDS ..." of people from another culture.

It's in the "Word of God".

Could it be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus ...?

There is no evidence that Samson ever received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world today. It's not a stretch to assume that many of them have heard this story given that it is included in their sacred scripture. The fact that Sampson wasn't a Christian is irrelevant. Christians read the Old Testament and take inspiration from it.



Tcg

[Elijah John]

The Philistines brought Samson out before a great crowd of rulers and thousands of people gathered in the temple to celebrate his capture. Samson's hair had begun to grow back and as he leaned against the pillars of the temple, he prayed to God for strength once more to defeat the Philistines. Samson used all of his might and pushed down the temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines and rulers. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... lilah.html

"Killing HIMSELF and THOUSANDS ..." of people from another culture.

It's in the "Word of God".

Could it be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus ...?

There is no evidence that Samson ever received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world today. It's not a stretch to assume that many of them have heard this story given that it is included in their sacred scripture. The fact that Sampson wasn't a Christian is irrelevant. Christians read the Old Testament and take inspiration from it.



Tcg

Except for the fact that Jesus taught his followers to love their enemies. Slaughtering them is not loving them.

[Tcg]

The Philistines brought Samson out before a great crowd of rulers and thousands of people gathered in the temple to celebrate his capture. Samson's hair had begun to grow back and as he leaned against the pillars of the temple, he prayed to God for strength once more to defeat the Philistines. Samson used all of his might and pushed down the temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines and rulers. https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-s ... lilah.html

"Killing HIMSELF and THOUSANDS ..." of people from another culture.

It's in the "Word of God".

Could it be used to legitimise suicide-bombing for Jesus ...?

There is no evidence that Samson ever received Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

There are approximately 2.2 billion Christians in the world today. It's not a stretch to assume that many of them have heard this story given that it is included in their sacred scripture. The fact that Sampson wasn't a Christian is irrelevant. Christians read the Old Testament and take inspiration from it.



Tcg

Except for the fact that Jesus taught his followers to love their enemies. Slaughtering them is not loving them.

In the same way that Christians read the Old Testament, they read the New Testament. If they read more than the Gospels, they will read about a very violent Jesus in the book of Revelation. Jesus himself will slaughter his enemies. He makes Samson's feat look rather tame.



Tcg