Which parts of the Bible are the Word of God?

[Elijah John]

Which parts of the Bible are the "Word of God". How much of it?

Did God bind the Bible in it's entirety from cover to cover, and proclaim, "THIS is my word"? If so, what is your evidence for this? If so, which version, which canon of the Bible is the entire, verbatim Word of God?

The Hebrew Bible?
The Roman Catholic version?
The Orthodox version?
or the Protestant version?

[marco]

[Replying to post 10 by JehovahsWitness]

Even if your calculations and sources are accurate, how do you know what the NT writers originally wrote was the truth, verbatim, and the Word of God?

The NT could just as easily be well preserved error and heresy.

The secret is the credo to which people entrust their faith. I believe Jehovah's Witnesses place their trust in the interpretation of somebody called Charles Taze Russell. The Catholic Church relies on the rather more gigantic figures of its early saints.

Perhaps the truth is that the NT is a mix of nice things and silly things, reports and fabrications. Maybe latter day interpreters have tried to extract truth from the wreckage, with varying degrees of success. I haven't seen anything here that illuminates life with divine clarity.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 10 by JehovahsWitness]

...how do you know what the NT writers originally wrote was the truth, verbatim, and the Word of God?

Well neither of us were there so everyone, atheist and theist alike, will have to decide what they wish to believe on that question. Regardless of what position we decide to take, it will all still be a matter of faith.

For theist, the deciding factor would be what they believe their God of choice would or would not do, based on what they already know about his nature and character. If the God you believe in is in your opinion, one that would purpose a message for humanity and watch it corrupted by his "secretaries" before a single reader had a chance to see it, so be it.

I have already written why I don't believe my God (Jehovah) would ever do such a thing.
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[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

[Replying to post 5 by Divine Insight]

You often hear jees say that? Yeah, Messianic Jews maybe. But they aren't Jews. They just want to wear the clothes and call Jesus yeshua.

Really?

They aren't Jews?

If they worship Jesus as God and consider him the Messiah they are Christians, not Jews. They have violated Sh'ma by becoming Trinitarian.

If they are Jews by blood, then they are Jews, regardless of belief.

One can certainly be both a Christian (an anointed one) and a Jew. The apostles were both Jews and Christians, and the first Christians were also Jews, etc.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

The apostles were not "Jews for Jesus" as the movement is today. The modern movement worships Jesus as God. There is no evidence that Jesus taught anyone to do so, or that the apostles considered Jesus to be God.

I agree that the apostles were not "Jews for Jesus" as the religion is today. But if some are going to say that people are not Jews because they hold to an erroneous teaching, then someone could say the same for those Jews that do not (yet) accept Jaheshua as the Messiah.

Yeah, one can be a Jew by blood, an ethnic Jew. But if that person adopts Trinitarian theology, they become cut off from the Jewish community and Judaism as a religion.

That doesn't mean they are no longer Jews; it just means that other Jews have 'disfellowshipped' them.




Peace again to you!

[tam]

Peace to you!

Which parts of the Bible are the "Word of God". How much of it?

Christ is the Word of God.

Not the Bible.

Not even the bible refers to itself as the Word of God.

But passages IN the bible do bear witness to Christ as the Word of God.

Did God bind the Bible in it's entirety from cover to cover, and proclaim, "THIS is my word"?

He did not. He did however send His Word to the prophets (The Word of God came to the prophet...), who then shared as they received or as they were carried along by the spirit , making their writings inspired ("in spirit"). But not everything written is inspired. Some things are testimony (eye-witness or testimony handed down from eye-witnesses); some things are letters concerning issues of the day (such as the letters in the NT addressed to various people or congregations).


That does not mean that everything (inspired or not) is preserved or copied free from all error, due to the erring pen of the scribes (Jeremiah 8:8; Matt 23:14) who did not always understand what (or WHO) passages were truly about; and translation errors.


Christ is the Word of God.

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Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[William]

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Elijah John: Which parts of the Bible are the Word of God?

The Script: You do not have The Fathers word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

William: I don't consider any parts of the Bible to be the word of GOD.
The Fathers word abides within the individual, not any book.
I imagine that if people understood this, we would be different towards one another, and asking such questions would be besides the point.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 9 by JehovahsWitness]

How can you accept the Christian testament as the word if God when not one word is credited to him speaking it?

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 13 by Checkpoint]

A Jew is a Jew.
A Jew puts no one in front of God.
A Jew knows that only the God of Israel is lord and savior
A Jew would sooner perish than say ugly things about God. That he would punush the innocent to save the wicked
A Jew would never out a face on God and try to make him more like us
A Jew doesn't see God wearing sandals or posing with his arms out wearing a white robe and having a happy
A Jew would vomit at the thought of even pretending to ear his flesh and drink his blood
A Jew would not be impressed with miracles done by Jesus or anyone. Because God instructed us not to be impressed by such.

Many have hated the Jews over the milennia. But it's not the Jews that people hate. It's God. And God's message. If the Jews were gone there would be no one holding up the Torah to the world. The Jews are a constant reminder or their disobedience.. They hate the message. They can't kill God though Christianity is as close as they'll get to doing that. Their whole religion is about God being killed and them living forever. Live forever? What for? They'll just make him kill himself again. (Like we can kill God. Yeah...right) They aren't giving up bacon.
Christiabs love their religion because they get to do what they want.
It's not about doing for God. It's about keeping God away from you
Jews want God in their lives
Christians 5suffer for them. They are okay with them.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 13 by Checkpoint]

A Jew is a Jew.
A Jew puts no one in front of God.
A Jew knows that only the God of Israel is lord and savior
A Jew would sooner perish than say ugly things about God. That he would punush the innocent to save the wicked
A Jew would never out a face on God and try to make him more like us
A Jew doesn't see God wearing sandals or posing with his arms out wearing a white robe
A Jew would vomit at the thought of even pretending to ear his flesh and drink his blood
A Jew would not be impressed with miracles done by Jesus or anyone. Because God instructed us not to be impressed by such.

Many have hated the Jews over the milennia. But it's not the Jews that people hate. It's God. And God's message. If the Jews were gone there would be no one holding up the Torah to the world. The Jews are a constant reminder or their disobedience.. They hate the message. They can't kill God though Christianity is as close as they'll get to doing that. Their whole religion is about God being killed and them living forever. Live forever? What for? They'll just make him kill himself again. (Like we can kill God. Yeah...right) They aren't giving up bacon.
Christiabs love their religion because they get to do what they want.
It's not about doing for God. It's about keeping God away from you
Jews want God in their lives
Christians want God to suffer for them. They are okay with that. Not that God did. But in their heart they like that idea.
Jews would never have such a low opinion of God
.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 13 by Checkpoint]

A Jew is a Jew.
A Jew puts no one in front of God.
A Jew knows that only the God of Israel is lord and savior
A Jew would sooner perish than say ugly things about God. That he would punush the innocent to save the wicked
A Jew would never out a face on God and try to make him more like us
A Jew doesn't see God wearing sandals or posing with his arms out wearing a white robe and having a happy
A Jew would vomit at the thought of even pretending to ear his flesh and drink his blood
A Jew would not be impressed with miracles done by Jesus or anyone. Because God instructed us not to be impressed by such.

Many have hated the Jews over the milennia. But it's not the Jews that people hate. It's God. And God's message. If the Jews were gone there would be no one holding up the Torah to the world. The Jews are a constant reminder or their disobedience.. They hate the message. They can't kill God though Christianity is as close as they'll get to doing that. Their whole religion is about God being killed and them living forever. Live forever? What for? They'll just make him kill himself again. (Like we can kill God. Yeah...right) They aren't giving up bacon.
Christiabs love their religion because they get to do what they want.
It's not about doing for God. It's about keeping God away from you
Jews want God in their lives
Christians want God to suffer for them. They are okay with that. Not that God did. But in their heart they like that idea.
Jews would never have such a low opinion of God
.

[Avoice]

[Replying to post 16 by Elijah John]

Yes, the shema.

Notice what Jesus says. He said that they answered discreetly. What do you think that means? They answered truthfully but didn't elaborate on what live your neighbor as yourself means. If Jesus really loved his disciples he would have told them to not pluck corn on the Sabbath. He would have told them they should have thought about getting it the day before. And if they forgot, too bad. Better they go hungry for a day than to kill them by condoning their actions. That's not love. Notice Jesus didn't pluck the corn did he? Notice how Hesus has managed to get others to disobey God yet he doesn't. Like a drug dealer who sells it but doesn't do it himself