Can logic be applied to the almighty?

[Willum]

So far the best arguments for God are arguments from logic.

However, in order for this creature to exist and fulfill the expectations levied on it by the Bible or other references, it needs to be All-powerful, or omnipotent.

It also needs to be constrained by these books or promises it allegedly made.

The problem with this is twofold:
Human beings can't be relied upon to keep their word, we agree - and this might not even be from dishonesty, merely misunderstanding or bad expectations. We can be made enforce our promises under some circumstances, but how would you do that with God? Especially if it is the misunderstanding of a second century goat-herder?

You can't.

Now what if the mis-understanding is based on the fact that you can't possibly understand the creature you are dealing with?

So if the fallible humans of the Bible got their understanding of an incomprehensible creature wrong, you are out of luck.

Of course the second problem with using logical arguments for God is that something all-powerful can defy logic MUCH MORE EASILY than reality.

Logic simply does not apply to a creature that can bend reality, or even create it. So square circle, maximal beings, any of that are easily made real by an creature that can do anything. If it can change reality, it can certainly change a human's idiotic definitions and logic. To imagine otherwise, is folly.

So how can use use logic to demonstrate something that can defy it?

You can't.

So, no evidence of God, no proof of God, nothing can actually be ascribed to God, anything God might have said can not be affirmed, nor logic apply. It all adds up to zero.

How could a reasonable person believe in such a creature?

[The Tanager]

[Replying to post 30 by Willum]

We are obviously too far away on the basic understanding to go any further. Thanks for your thoughts. Perhaps we will meet again in another thread. Peace to you.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 31 by The Tanager]

Well, that is the difference between truth and fantasy:
A "difference of basic understanding," can change the reality of a fantasy, whereas, nothing about belief, or common understanding can change fact.

Facts exist regardless of understanding, and thus, if there were facts ascribable to a real God, they would be observable.
No observable(s), a "difference in basic understanding," influencing God's reality; all point to God's only realty being fantasy.