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During the period of Ignorance, Allah was worshiped as a distant unknowable god who had 3 daughters whose names are mentioned in the Koran. Mohammed's Tribe including Mohammed worshiped this god + his daughters during the period of Ignorance. Both Mohammed and his tribe continued to worship Allah [Al-ilah = the god] after Mohammed became a prophet. As his opponents continue to worship Allah - THAT wasn't the issue. What was the issue is worshiping other gods like his daughters as well. Mohammed wanted the god Al-ilah [the god] worshiped alone. This his tribe did not do until they were conquered and forced.
BUT does taking a pagan god, worshiped at the most demonic shrine in all Arabia , and taking away his 3 daughters, turn that god into the SAME GOD as worshiped by the Israelites and Christians?
Did the Jews of Medina who hear the message of Allah from Mohammed's mouth ACCEPT that this god was their God whose name is YHVH???
Considering Mohammed destroyed ALL 4 tribes of Jews in the area for refusing him and his god, then that should indicate that they are NOT the same God.
What do you think???

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letschat wrote:

What do you think???


I personally believe that all the religions of the Middle East basically took the Greek idea of Zeus and decided to make him into a jealous God who would have no other Gods placed before him.

The whole middle eastern Biblical brand of God which includes the God of Islam started out with the demand that no other Gods should be placed before him. He was basically a model of Zeus on jealous steroids.

There's no question that these Abrahamic religions began from polytheistic roots because the very demands that no other Gods be placed before Allah, or Yahweh, or YHVH or whatever other label they want to give to him, only goes to show that they considered there to actually be other lesser Gods at that time. Otherwise how would it be possible to place any other Gods before the one and only existing God?

So the whole shebang is actually based on polytheism from the get go. That should be clear to everyone. Allah, Yahweh, YHVH, Jehovah, or whatever name they choose to give their God could not be jealous of other Gods if they don't exist.

So clearly these Abrahamic religions shot themselves in the foot pretty much on page one of their doctrine. Perhaps not literally on page one, but pretty darn close to it.

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Problem is that Zeus did not exist. And there WERE other gods besides Zeus. He was the Chief god of the pantheon that's all.
There is no pantheon of gods in Judaism or Christianity, and in Islam the god Allah was drawn OUT OF the pantheon of gods and given status on his own.

In Judaism and Christianity we don't believe there are any other gods at all. Only One - YHVH who spoke to Moses. The evidence of his reality and his interaction with mankind has been documented by Israel for over 2000 years. And then in the Christian era. But in Islam he is not present, neither does he speak.

Our doctrine teaches that there are angels and demons [fallen angels] It is these fallen angels that set themselves up for man to follow as god, taking what belongs to God alone. Those who study Islam believe that Allah is another man made god from the Arabian Pantheon. He is NOT YHVH.
None of Judaism or Christianity is styled on Zeus and Greek Mythology. There is no evidence of Zeus in the history of mankind, only what man created.

I think you will find that the belief in YHVH PREDATES Greek Mythology.
There are a lot of people trying to make comparisons with Greek Mythology but when you know the faiths - they are nothing alike at all.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 4: Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:07 am
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letschat wrote:

In Judaism and Christianity we don't believe there are any other gods at all. Only One - YHVH who spoke to Moses. The evidence of his reality and his interaction with mankind has been documented by Israel for over 2000 years. And then in the Christian era. But in Islam he is not present, neither does he speak.


This is certainly what modern day Christians and Jews would like to believe. But history doesn't support this. The early cultures of this region were all polytheistic. Moreover, you can hardly argue that Judaism and Christianity weren't originally based on a belief in the existence of other Gods.

The Bible itself has Yahweh commanding that no other Gods shall be placed before him. Well if there are no other Gods to place before Yahweh than such a commandment would be absurd.

So any Christian or Jew who thinks that their religion was based on a monotheistic theology from the very beginning simply isn't paying attention. Either that, or they are in grave denial of what's actually written in their own Bibles.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 5: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:49 am
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The Bible itself has Yahweh commanding that no other Gods sh

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Abraham and the historical characters back to Adam knew YHVH as the one and only God. YHVH did not make anyone other than angels and mankind. That was it. So if there are REAL other gods - who made them? Not YHVH...as he is the only creator. Therefore they did not and have never existed.

Those who chose NOT to follow YHVH, made up their own gods from the Sun, Moon and objects. Gave them deity, but they were simply idols...man made.
It doesn't mean they exist.

This is what Paul the apostle says:

But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have communion with demons. 1 Corinthians 10:20

AND MOSES:
They offered sacrifices to demons, which are not God, to gods they had not known before, to new gods only recently arrived, to gods their ancestors had never feared.Deuteronomy 32:17

So what is known to mankind as "gods" are either non-existent or demons pretending to be gods.
So no ...there is no such thing as polytheism in reality. They simply don't exist. The only God who exists is YHVH. One and Only.

God revealed himself to the Israelites and their forebears. And he is the only God.

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Post BBCode URL - Right click and save to clipboard to use later in post Post 6: Tue Sep 03, 2019 6:58 am
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1 Chronicles 16:26 For all the gods of the people are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 96:5 For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the Lord made the heavens.

Psalm 115:4 Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.

Isaiah 2:8 Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have made:

Isaiah 31:7 For in that day every man shall cast away his idols of silver, and his idols of gold, which your own hands have made unto you for a sin.

Habakkuk 2:18 What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?

1 Corinthians 10:19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Does that make sense???

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