Why wasn't David stoned?

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Why wasn't David stoned?

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In Leviticus 20:10 we find this command:
  • “If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."
David committed adultery with his neighbor's wife and then had the adulteress' husband murdered.

Nathan the prophet knew this fact and yet speaking for God, he stated this in 2 Samuel 12:
  • 13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.â€� Nathan answered, “The Lord has taken away your sin. You will not die. 14 But what you did caused the Lord’s enemies to lose all respect for him. For this reason the son who was born to you will die.â€�
Why didn't God have Nathan report to David that both he and Bathsheba were to be stoned?

Is it fair that the David's son had to die because the Lord's enemies lost respect for God due to his father's sin?


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Re: Why wasn't David stoned?

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Like any ill written story, it has major plot discrepancies.
I will never understand how someone who claims to know the ultimate truth, of God, believes they deserve respect, when they cannot distinguish it from a fairy-tale.

You know, science and logic are hard: Religion and fairy tales might be more your speed.

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Tcg wrote:
Is it fair that the David's son had to die because the Lord's enemies lost respect for God due to his father's sin?

You are reading the wrong book if you want fairness. From the very start we have examples of Gargantuan injustice. Adam sins, so unborn generations will suffer for the model puppet God made. Job was very good, so he had to be tested. His children were killed but, to compensate, God gave him a new set. Sodom and Gomorrah had bad people in it: so God destroys all the children. Nice, pious, God-fearing Lot offers his daighters to be assaulted by a mob; his wife who was deemed worthy of being saved is savagely killed by God; God wipes out all animal life because he thinks man is bad. He thinks Abraham is an upstanding guy, so tells him to murder hsi son. All in one book that, surprisingly, carries no health warning.

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Tcg wrote:
Why didn't God have Nathan report to David that both he and Bathsheba were to be stoned?
David and Bathsheba both died...immediacy of death upon the commision of the sin is not a prerequisite for justice. GOD's lesson that kings would be failures to shed light of the people's expectations of them went on apace.
Is it fair that the David's son had to die because the Lord's enemies lost respect for God due to his father's sin?
It is written no one dies for his father's sin. This means the reason he died was for his own sin (only sinners are born on earth) but the reason of his death then was the time of his death was chosen to be a lesson to David and the rest of us. There is no restriction upon GOD to time the death of a person to their liking...
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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marco wrote:
Tcg wrote:
Is it fair that the David's son had to die because the Lord's enemies lost respect for God due to his father's sin?

You are reading the wrong book if you want fairness. From the very start we have examples of Gargantuan injustice. Adam sins, so unborn generations will suffer for the model puppet God made. Job was very good, so he had to be tested. His children were killed but, to compensate, God gave him a new set. Sodom and Gomorrah had bad people in it: so God destroys all the children. Nice, pious, God-fearing Lot offers his daighters to be assaulted by a mob; his wife who was deemed worthy of being saved is savagely killed by God; God wipes out all animal life because he thinks man is bad. He thinks Abraham is an upstanding guy, so tells him to murder hsi son. All in one book that, surprisingly, carries no health warning.
I've long given up expecting to find fairness. God plays favorites, he doesn't administer justice. Israelites favored over the nations. Israel's king favored over an honorable Hittite warrior.

What I find odd is that so many find it astounding that Jesus refused to stone an adulteress and seem to think it represents a new approach to the old laws. As we see here, his dad ignored his own laws years before.


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ttruscott wrote:
David and Bathsheba both died...immediacy of death upon the commision of the sin is not a prerequisite for justice.

Dying of old age is very different from the immediacy of stoning. God's command isn't, "Let the adulterer and the adulteress die of old age."


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[Replying to post 1 by Tcg]

Maybe the practice of stoning became obsolete as the story of the Bible has taken several hundred years to compile?

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Aetixintro wrote: [Replying to post 1 by Tcg]

Maybe the practice of stoning became obsolete as the story of the Bible has taken several hundred years to compile?

:study: :D 8-)
Tell that to countries that still practice it:

Brunei implements stoning to death under anti-LGBT laws
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47769964

Some on this planet are still stuck in the barbaric ways of the past. One can read about these barbaric ways in many holy texts.

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Tcg wrote:
ttruscott wrote:
David and Bathsheba both died...immediacy of death upon the commision of the sin is not a prerequisite for justice.

Dying of old age is very different from the immediacy of stoning. God's command isn't, "Let the adulterer and the adulteress die of old age."
The Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges:
13...thou shalt not die: The sentence which he had pronounced on himself (2 Samuel 12:5) should not be executed, though he deserved to die as an adulterer and murderer (Leviticus 20:10; Leviticus 24:17). The punishment of death would certainly not have been inflicted on the king, who was supreme in the state, by any human authority: but God might Himself have inflicted it.

Perhaps that the King would be seen and treated as above the law was one of the reasons for GOD resisting to give them a king.
PCE Theology as I see it...

We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.

This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.

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