Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?
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Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?
Post #1I know a bunch of Christians, and so many of them believe that Noah's Ark is a myth. Basically just a story to teach morals and lessons. I personally see a lot of things wrong with the story of the flood. So I was wondering, if anyone believes the story of Noah's Ark, and the world flood, to be the truth?
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Re: Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?
Post #201[quote="Topaz27"]
[Replying to Donray]
Um yeah it's in the Bible.
Matthew 24:37-39
He obviously believes in Noah's flood...[/quot
Hmm.
How do you know those verses are reliable, and are an accurate and true report of what Jesus said?
[Replying to Donray]
Um yeah it's in the Bible.
Matthew 24:37-39
He obviously believes in Noah's flood...[/quot
Hmm.
How do you know those verses are reliable, and are an accurate and true report of what Jesus said?
Post #202
Ok I don't even know if Jesus was a real person, let alone the son of God.
My point is that in the Bible, it states that Jesus thought the flood was real. Not just a story/myth.
If the Bible is incorrect about Jesus believing in the flood, then the Bible's not 100% true.
If Jesus was real. And did actually believe in the flood, and we have evidence to show that the flood didn't happen. Then it sounds like Jesus wasn't actually so wise after all.
I'm just saying that if the flood isn't real, then Jesus was wrong. Which obviously discredits him, he would obviously know if Noah's flood was real or not. He is supposedly the son of God after all.
My point is that in the Bible, it states that Jesus thought the flood was real. Not just a story/myth.
If the Bible is incorrect about Jesus believing in the flood, then the Bible's not 100% true.
If Jesus was real. And did actually believe in the flood, and we have evidence to show that the flood didn't happen. Then it sounds like Jesus wasn't actually so wise after all.
I'm just saying that if the flood isn't real, then Jesus was wrong. Which obviously discredits him, he would obviously know if Noah's flood was real or not. He is supposedly the son of God after all.
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Post #203
No, it doesn't. It shows that Jesus used the flood story as a metaphor for the coming of the Son of Man. He never states nor implies that he considers it a literal event.
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Post #204
He likewise never states or implies that he considered it a metaphor.
We draw our own conclusions based on who he was/is in our opinion.
Post #205
[Replying to post 204 by Checkpoint]
Exactly, he never states it either way. So who are we to decide what he meant. I think we should do the same with other biblical figures such as Moses or Elijah, and reasonably conclude that Jesus thought these were real people.
Once again I think this discredits Jesus, this is because we have tons of evidence showing that the a world flood doesn't make sense
Exactly, he never states it either way. So who are we to decide what he meant. I think we should do the same with other biblical figures such as Moses or Elijah, and reasonably conclude that Jesus thought these were real people.
Once again I think this discredits Jesus, this is because we have tons of evidence showing that the a world flood doesn't make sense
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Post #206
That is your opinion; "I think we should".Topaz27 wrote: [Replying to post 204 by Checkpoint]
Exactly, he never states it either way. So who are we to decide what he meant. I think we should do the same with other biblical figures such as Moses or Elijah, and reasonably conclude that Jesus thought these were real people.
Once again I think this discredits Jesus, this is because we have tons of evidence showing that the a world flood doesn't make sense
In my opinion, I think we should take Jesus seriously.
In this case, consider carefully what he is telling us, and act accordingly.
Matthew 24:
36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark;
39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.
40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.
41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42 Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come.
43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.
44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
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Post #207
God would know, but a man of his times would most likely believe (what we know now are) the myths of his times.Topaz27 wrote: If Jesus was real. And did actually believe in the flood, and we have evidence to show that the flood didn't happen. Then it sounds like Jesus wasn't actually so wise after all.
The fact that Jesus seemed to have believed something which just didn't happen (as described) is evidence that he was not the Omniscient God.
But neither is this proof that Jesus was not wise, nor does it prove that Jesus wasn't knowlegable, for his time and his culture.
My theological positions:
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
-God created us in His image, not the other way around.
-The Bible is redeemed by it's good parts.
-Pure monotheism, simple repentance.
-YHVH is LORD
-The real Jesus is not God, the real YHVH is not a monster.
-Eternal life is a gift from the Living God.
-Keep the Commandments, keep your salvation.
-I have accepted YHVH as my Heavenly Father, LORD and Savior.
I am inspired by Jesus to worship none but YHVH, and to serve only Him.
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Post #208
"Obviously"? Is there really any definitive proof that it didn't happen? Isn't it better to say that we'll put it on the back burner for now and wait until all things are revealed to us during Jesus' Millennial Reign?Topaz27 wrote: Yeah I know Jesus believes it, which makes me believe that he isn't the son of God. Because Noah's Ark obviously didn't happen.
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Post #209
What is the "evidence" that shows that the Flood never happened?Topaz27 wrote: Ok I don't even know if Jesus was a real person, let alone the son of God.
My point is that in the Bible, it states that Jesus thought the flood was real. Not just a story/myth.
If the Bible is incorrect about Jesus believing in the flood, then the Bible's not 100% true.
If Jesus was real. And did actually believe in the flood, and we have evidence to show that the flood didn't happen. Then it sounds like Jesus wasn't actually so wise after all.
I'm just saying that if the flood isn't real, then Jesus was wrong. Which obviously discredits him, he would obviously know if Noah's flood was real or not. He is supposedly the son of God after all.
Post #210
[Replying to onewithhim]
Like every field of science that's applicable.
Dendrochronology
Meteorology
Mythology
Anthropology
Geology
Biology
Etc.
You should look up, on YouTube, "How AronRa disproves Noah's flood" he does a way better job then I ever could. The info is easy to digest, and is quite clear. I really recommended it.
Like every field of science that's applicable.
Dendrochronology
Meteorology
Mythology
Anthropology
Geology
Biology
Etc.
You should look up, on YouTube, "How AronRa disproves Noah's flood" he does a way better job then I ever could. The info is easy to digest, and is quite clear. I really recommended it.
