Questions for debate:Tart wrote: Do you keep the law?
Should Christians keep the law?
If so, how much of the laws should we keep?
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Questions for debate:Tart wrote: Do you keep the law?
Wouldn't the first four commandments be within the parameters of the two greatest that Jesus spoke of? The first commandment is to have no other gods before YHWH. Wouldn't that be involved with what Jesus said about loving YHWH your God with your whole heart, soul and mind?Avoice wrote: [Replying to onewithhim]
And if you loved your neighbor you wouldnt FAIL to tell them the first four commandments when asked what they were. Thats how much Jesus loves his neighbor. He failed to mention them. So did Paul
I dont know you. Never met you. But I care enough to tell you to have no other Gods before you. Of all the 10 commandments only one God begins by saying REMEMBER. Well Jesus forgot. And the church forgot. So I will love you. Remember to keep the Sabbath holy. And for the love of God (who gave this commandnent) tge Sabbath is Friday sundown ubtil Saturday sundown. Now you can believe its Sunday all you want. Nut the truth if thst is that Emperor Constantine if the 'great' Roman Empire commanded that be the churchs holy day.
Love your neighbor and go tell them the truth. Friday sundown to Saturday sundown . Refrain from working. (ie: shopping, business transactions and going to your job) God gives you six days to do all that. Now go love your neighbor as i have loved you.
We aren't "forbidden" to keep the Law given to Moses. WE just don't NEED to. The Law was set up to show humans that they cannot keep every detail of the Law. We, in our imperfect bodies, are not able to do it perfectly. We can try to do all of the commandments, including slaughtering spotless bulls and lambs at the Temple (oh wait---it doesn't exist any more!), if we choose to. Nothing will happen to us if we try.Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 4 by JehovahsWitness]
What you say is somewhat true. Its not that you aren't obligated. You are forbidden to keep them. That's right. If you decide to obey Gods commandments then Jesus wont save you. Are you hearing this? What kind of theology has that for a stipulation? Let me put it in plain terms: if you obey the laws God commanded we keep then you are "going to hell". Its that threat of going to hell part that has Christians.
Could you provide the bible reference where either God or Jesus sates that the laws are obsolete?JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by otseng]
We Jehovahs Witnesses believe the Mosaic Law code has been abolished, we dont have to keep any of it. Christans are under Christian law.
JW
Judging by this reply I going to go out on a limb here and say you don't think anything Paul, John, Peter, or Luke wrote was not authored by God. Because if so, isn't that convenient...Donray wrote:Could you provide the bible reference where either God or Jesus sates that the laws are obsolete?JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 1 by otseng]
We Jehovahs Witnesses believe the Mosaic Law code has been abolished, we dont have to keep any of it. Christans are under Christian law.
JW
If it applies yes. Yet not everything applies to God's people now that Jesus has come to do what his Father sent him to do.otseng wrote:Yes, that's a good point. Jesus kept the laws of the Old Testament. As Christians, we're supposed to emulate Christ. So, shouldn't we also follow the laws of the OT?brianbbs67 wrote: I do have to say that if one wants to follow the bible(which should include God), then all followers of Christ would be Torah observant. Jesus led a Hebrew revival. He never spoke against the law. So, if you follow Yeshau, Joshua, Ieous, you follow the law of Moses. Unless, you wish to be least in the kingdom?
Jesus didn't speak against the Law, but he didn't say it would last forever either. He said that he was there to fulfill it. Bring it to completion. God said he would end it long before Jesus was born.brianbbs67 wrote:That doesn't cancel the law at all. Christ never spoke against the law. So you are now in God's authority to end it? If God makes a law, only God can resend it.2timothy316 wrote:Here is what Jesus said about the Law Code.brianbbs67 wrote: I do have to say that if one wants to follow the bible(which should include God), then all followers of Christ would be Torah observant. Jesus led a Hebrew revival. He never spoke against the law. So, if you follow Yeshau, Joshua, Ieous, you follow the law of Moses. Unless, you wish to be least in the kingdom?
Then John’s disciples came to him and asked: “Why do we and the Pharisees practice fasting but your disciples do not fast?� At this Jesus said to them: “The friends of the bridegroom have no reason to mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them, do they? But days will come when the bridegroom will be taken away from them, and then they will fast. Nobody sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old outer garment, for the new piece pulls away from the garment and the tear becomes worse. Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins. If they do, then the wineskins burst and the wine spills out and the wineskins are ruined. But people put new wine into new wineskins, and both are preserved.� - Matthew 9:14-17
The Mosaic Covenant of the Israelite times was fine for them. But things were about to change and a lot of it was not meant for a group of people that would be made up of people from around the world. What would be the point of forcing laws and festivals on people that have no bearing on them or that might even be nearly impossible for them to keep. Can you imagine some person in Spain trying to make to Jerusalem after having a child just do to the the purifying ritual? (Lev 12;6)