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Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

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Revelation 20 verse 6 speaks of Christ ruling with others for the 1,000 years. As one if Jehovahs Witnesses I understand ...

a) Jesus will rule over humans beings (not spirits) that are NOT designated as kings
b) The subjects (those not designated as kings) will live on earth
c) Jesus will not relocate from heaven to rule from a specific location on earth but will rather be in heaven ruling over the earth.

Please share your thoughts on any or all of the points. How do you understand Revelation 20:6 as regards to
a) subjects : who ir what will he rule over?
b: location where will the subjects his rule live?
c) location where will Jesus (and his co-rulers) be situated during this rule?
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Re: Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

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[Replying to post 129 by myth-one.com]

So? Satan could always go back and forth from heaven to Earth until he was thrown out of heaven and confined to the earth during "the Lord's day." This was obviously some time after John wrote the Revelation.

There is nothing at all that pin-points the exact time that he was given dominion over the earth. We just have to take into consideration all of the Scriptures and deduce when it seems likely. It seems likely that it was after the conversation with Jehovah in the book of Job, because Satan asked God there to make humans suffer. After that Satan himself made humans suffer, without asking God.


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myth-one.com wrote:
onewithhim wrote:Do you get your ideas from a clergyperson or do you think them up yourself?
Neither.

I read them in a book.
Which book? I've never seen your ideas in any book.

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onewithhim wrote:
myth-one.com wrote:
onewithhim wrote:Do you get your ideas from a clergyperson or do you think them up yourself?
Neither.

I read them in a book.
Which book? I've never seen your ideas in any book.
The Holy Bible.

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myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 117 by myth-one.com]

Im simply trying to understand the above dichotomy:

Perhaps you can explain what you understand by "formless, void and dark" and explain why you believe one must choose between these adjectives and goodness ? Since when is the opposite of dark good? Or void ? Maybe you are attributing a meaning to the words that escapes me.
Formless, void, and dark mean formless, void, and dark.

Definition of Good: to be desired or approved of.

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If God desired or approved a formless, void, and dark earth, He would have stopped His creating of it after the first verse of the Bible.

So you are saying that the formless, dark void earth was a creation of God? You say he would have stopped his creation of it, does that not mean he started His creation of it? That a dark, void earth was a creation of God? Since God can do nothing that is not PERFECT, the formlesss void dark earth it must have been perfect without anything negative at the time he was creating that dark, void formlessnsss.

Thus why should we have to choose between a formless dark void earth that God started creating and that was in that state according to his will for it at that time and a good earth that that same God finished creating and that was in whatever state it was at that time according to that same will?

DEUTERONOMY 32:4 NWT
The Rock, perfect is his activity, for all his ways are justice.
PSALMS 139:13 NLT
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb
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myth-one.com wrote:
onewithhim wrote: [Replying to post 125 by myth-one.com]

All you have to do is read Job 1:6-12 and 2:1-6.

Careful reading will apprise us of the fact that Satan had more in mind than just Job to test. He said, "A man will give everything he has for his life. But for a change, stretch out your hand and strike his bone and flesh, and he will curse you to your very face." (Job 2:4,5)

By saying this, Satan was saying in effect that any human will turn against God when made to suffer. He was then allowed to put humans to the test, starting with Job. He has been doing it ever since.
OK.

But you referenced these verses as proof that Satan was given dominion over the earth during that time.

But now, you cannot point out one verse to me within Job 1:6-12 and 2:1-6 which supports your claim?

Until you do, I'll assume there is no such verse.

Satan was there in the Garden of Eden just as he was in the book of Job.

Job states that Satan claimed he had been "going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

That simply confirms he was still doing his evil work on the earth -- which he was given dominion over long before the time of Job.
The Jews refer to him as Ha'Satan, The Adversary. Just as Ha'Shem is The Name . Seems he has a job, as detestable as it is. He is here to work against and test us before God.

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JehovahsWitness wrote:So you are saying that the formless, dark void earth was a creation of God?

Absolutely not. Everything God created was very good.

Something very good can become bad through negligence and neglect.

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[Replying to post 136 by myth-one.com]

So what did you mean by ....
myth-one.com wrote:
If God desired or approved a formless, void, and dark earth, He would have stopped His creating of it after the first verse of the Bible.
Creating (Hebrews bara ) means making from nothing, it is different from "repairing". Why did you say God would have stopped stopped His creating of it ?



You still haven't explained why "formless" and "dark" things cannot be as God purposes them (formless blood and other liquids, darkness at the bottom of the oceans inside the center of the earth etc...)




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JehovahsWitness wrote: [Replying to post 136 by myth-one.com]
So what did you mean by ....
myth-one.com wrote: If God desired or approved a formless, void, and dark earth, He would have stopped His creating of it after the first verse of the Bible.
Let's say that God set out to produce a formless, void, and dark earth for JehovahsWitness in the beginning.

He creates the earth in verse one:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
And agrees that it is indeed formless, void, and dark in verse two:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Genesis 1:1-2)
He has succeeded and there is no reason to continue.

He can turn dominion of it over to JehovahsWitness and move on to His next project.
JehovahsWitness wrote:You still haven't explained why "formless" and "dark" things cannot be as God purposes them (formless blood and other liquids, darkness at the bottom of the oceans inside the center of the earth etc...)
What about the earth?

Include that in your list, that's what verse two of Genesis states:
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Genesis 1:1-2)
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myth-one.com wrote:
Let's say ...{snip}
No, lets just stick to scripture and leave out human reasoning.


According to scripture if God continues to do something, not stopping at the initial stage, does that mean his initial actions were displeasing, negative or had been interfered with by Satan? In short is satanic perversion the only reason God continues a process he stated?
PSALMS 139:13 NLT
You made all the delicate, inner parts of my body and knit me together in my mother’s womb
  • Did God form Jesus in Marys womb?
  • Did the fact that he didn't stop the baby Jesus developing at his 6th month, mean something went wrong and it was corrupted?
  • Can we not glean from the above that if God sees something is not finished or a process is incomplete it doesnt mean He (YHWH) is displeased with it (or that Satan has perverted it)?
You conclude that a formless, dark earth MUST have been rendered thus by Satan and therefore any further actions on Gods part description MUST have been reparitory.
Could you explain (with scripture) why a formless dark earth, like the baby Jesus 6 months into his development, could not have been one (perfect) stage in the earth's journey towards completion?
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QUESTION: CAN SOMETHING BE "FORMLESS"* AND YET PERFECT?

*without a fixed form/shape
myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:You still haven't explained why "formless" and "dark" things cannot be as God purposes them (formless blood and other liquids, darkness at the bottom of the oceans inside the center of the earth etc...)
What about the earth?
What about Jesus blood?
What about holy spirit has that got a form or is is "formless" ? Is formless a sysnonym of corrupted?

What about the wind has that got a form or is is "formless" ? Is formless a sysnonym of corrupted?

What about fire has that got a form or is is "formless" ? Is formless a sysnonym of corrupted?

What about love has that got a form or is is "formless" ? Is formless a sysnonym of corrupted?

Is it scriptural to conclude that because early earth is decribed as "formless" it MUST have been rendered thus by Satan the Devil?! Do you have a scriptural basis to establish that ONLY Satan and not God himself can produce something formlessness (see above)?
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