Son of Man/God

[Menotu]

Last week, I had a dream that gave me a headache. I don't remember much of it (or none of it to be honest) other than a mantra of sorts when I awoke: "Son of man / son of god".
Weird
But it got me thinking, what's the difference?
Growing up I heard both terms from the same people basically at the same time. Being young I accepted it as fact, moved on and never thought of it until my recent dream (foolish, under developed young brain)

So what does Son of Man mean?
What does Son of God mean?
Are they the same thing or different?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by Menotu]

I don't have the exact references, but it is my understanding that each term can mean several different things.

"Son of Man" can simply mean a human being. "What is man that thou art mindful of him, or the son of man…" (Quote from memory)

Or the "Son of Man" sometimes refers the apocalyptic figure described in Daniel.

"Son of God" sometimes refers to the nation of Israel collectively. And sometimes to the Messiah, and sometimes to any holy man especially close to God. King David was referred to this way.

Trinitarians use the term to refer to the second Person of the Trinity, but that is a whole 'other story.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 1 by Menotu]

I believe they are the same thing, when applying them to Jesus. There was another man, I think, in the Bible who was called "son of man," but I don't remember who. But Jesus called himself both.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Just curious, EJ.....where in the Bible is David referred to as "Son of God?"

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 1 by Menotu]

So what does Son of Man mean?
What does Son of God mean?
Are they the same thing or different?

Jesus used both terms to mean himself as being one or the other. He never put them together.

He saw himself as uniquely THE Son of Man. This may well have been a confident assurance that he was the one spoken of in Daniel 7:

13 In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into His presence.

14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

He saw himself as uniquely THE Son of God. This may well have been a confident assurance that he was the one spoken of in Psalm 2

6 “I have installed My king
on Zion, My holy mountain.�

7 'I will proclaim the Lord’s decree;
He said to me:

“You are My Son;
today I have become your Father.

8 Ask Me,
and I will make the nations your inheritance,
the ends of the earth your possession".

[brianbbs67]

Son of man seems to have originated from Ezekiel. Read that book and see how God refers to him. Yeshua also uses that term but demons and others also called him , son of God(and he says they are correct or doesn't deny). The one quote Jesus uses is Isaiah 82:6: You are gods(which technically , if God made us, we are His sons/daughters)

https://biblehub.com/psalms/82-6.htm

Read all of that Psalm also.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 1 by Menotu]

I believe they are the same thing, when applying them to Jesus. There was another man, I think, in the Bible who was called "son of man," but I don't remember who. But Jesus called himself both.

I don't believe they are the same thing.

Son of Man indicates he is fully human. Son of God indicates he is fully holy.

Both stem from the unique virgin begettal and birth, as being both holy and human.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Just curious, EJ.....where in the Bible is David referred to as "Son of God?"

Checkpoint provides us with the answer. In Psalm 2 "...YHVH has said to me, you are my son, today I have begotten you".

So it is a claim made by the Psalmist (presumably David) quoting YHVH speaking to him.

Jesus seems to have applied it to himself as well, but that does not mean that David didn't make the claim long before Jesus did.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 2 by Elijah John]

Just curious, EJ.....where in the Bible is David referred to as "Son of God?"

Checkpoint provides us with the answer. In Psalm 2 "...YHVH has said to me, you are my son, today I have begotten you".

So it is a claim made by the Psalmist (presumably David) quoting YHVH speaking to him.

Jesus seems to have applied it to himself as well, but that does not mean that David didn't make the claim long before Jesus did.

Yes but the explicit title Son of God is not there. A deduction isnt the same as using it as a destination.



JW

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 5 by Checkpoint]

There is a real problem applying Psalm 2 to Jesus, Checkpoint. "Today I have become your Father". That reference to a point in time indicates parenthood by adoption. Don't Trinitarians (by contrast) claim that Jesus was eternally the Son of the Father? Or at least since his birth in the manger, or beginning with his conception by the Holy Spirit in the womb of Mary?

Was the announcement spoken to the infant Jesus? Or to the Psalmist when he was able to write?

So applying Psalm 2 to Jesus seems revisionism, at best.