Why are theists unable to accept the truth?

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Why are theists unable to accept the truth?

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Lately I've been hearing theists claim to have compelling facts and evidence to support that Christianity is true. We know this is a false claim and that no such compelling facts or evidence exists.

How do we know that no compelling facts or evidence exist?

I'll give three reasons.

Reason #1: Scientists love facts and evidence.

Science is entirely based on evidence and facts being presented to make the case for any proposed hypotheses. No other discipline gives more credence to facts and evidence than science.

If theists had any credible facts and evidence to demonstrate that their religion is true, all they would need to do is give these facts and evidence to the scientific community and the scientists would be more than happy to verify it.

Clearly no such facts and evidence exists for if it did exist science would have already reported it and verified it.

So we can know that any theists who claim to have facts and evidence for their religion are not being truthful. For if they had such evidence they could easily convince the scientific community. The scientific community has not been convinced of the truth of Christianity. Therefore we can safely conclude that no such facts and evidence exists.


Reason #2: Historians love facts and evidence.

History is entirely based on evidence and facts being presented to make the case for any proposed historical events. Few other disciplines gives more credence to facts and evidence than historians.

If theists had any credible facts and evidence to demonstrate that their religion is true, all they would need to do is give these facts and evidence to the historical community and the historians would be more than happy to verify it.

Clearly no such facts and evidence exists for if it did exist historians would have already reported it and verified it.

So we can know that any theists who claim to have facts and evidence for their religion are not being truthful. For if they had such evidence they could easily convince the historical community. The historical community has not been convinced of the truth of Christianity. Therefore we can safely conclude that no such facts and evidence exists.


Reason #3: Philosophers love logic and reason.

Philosophy is entirely based on logic and reasoning being presented to make the case for any proposed hypotheses. No other discipline gives more credence to logic and reason than philosophy save for perhaps mathematics.

If theists had any credible logic and reasoning to offer to show that their religion is true, all they would need to do is present this logic and reasoning to the philosophical community and the philosopher would be more than happy to verify the soundness of the logic and reasoning.

Clearly no such logic and reasoning exists for if it did exist philosophers would have already reported it and verified it.

So we can know that any theists who claim to have logic and reasoning for their religion are not being truthful. For if they had such logic and reasoning they could easily convince the philosophical community. The philosophical community has not been convinced of the truth of Christianity. Therefore we can safely conclude that no such logic and reasoning exists.

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Therefore theists who claim to have facts and evidence that proves their religion is true, or sound logic and reasoning that proves that their religion is true, are clearly making claims that are not true.

After all, if these things actually existed then Scientists, Historians, and Philosophies would all be proclaiming the truth of Christianity. Yet none of the disciplines have seen compelling evidence for this being the case.

So if any theist tells you that they have fact and evidence, or sound logic and reasons to conclude that their religion is true, you can rest assured that they are not telling you the truth.

Sure, it may be true that they have deluded themselves into believing that they personally have facts, evidence, logic and reasons to believe in their religion. But you can be certain that they are ultimately mistaken, for if such things existed the three communities mentioned above would be onboard with those same conclusions.

So any theists who believe they possess these things can only be deceiving themselves. It's crystal clear that no such facts, evidence, or even logic and reasoning, exists that compellingly support Christianity.

This is not a debate forum, but I ask the following question anyway:

Why are theists unable to accept the truth?
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Some Christians claim that the Bible is evidence which supports their faith, when it is no sort of evidence at all. The documents making up the 66 book of the Bible are written by authors putting forward their points of view, nothing more, in my opinion.

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Re: Why are theists unable to accept the truth?

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Divine Insight wrote:

Science is entirely based on evidence and facts being presented to make the case for any proposed hypotheses. No other discipline gives more credence to facts and evidence than science.

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It seems to me that water witching has been around for a long time and all science can do is ridicule it. Some people have shown over a period of years that they can find water and all scientists can do is ridicule. They don't like anything that doesn't conform to their predefined beliefs.
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sleepyhead wrote:Some people have shown over a period of years that they can find water and all scientists can do is ridicule.
Where was this published?
sleepyhead wrote:They don't like anything that doesn't conform to their predefined beliefs.
No, they don't like anything that doesn't conform to a proper experimental protocol.

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I am willing to agree that various religions including Christianity don't conform to proper experimental protocol.
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sleepyhead wrote: I am willing to agree that various religions including Christianity don't conform to proper experimental protocol.
So, rather than having a problem with "anything that doesn't conform to their predefined beliefs," it sounds like scientists just reject data that are of poor quality.

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