Sign of Jonah unfulfilled...False prophecy..False Prophet

[Red Wolf]

An interesting fact concerning Jesus' post resurrection appearances is that the only people that the Bible reports having seen the allegedly risen Jesus are followers of Jesus.
If the church of Scientology reported that L Ron Hubbard rose from the dead, met with his followers and then after 40 days went to heaven, would you believe that Hubbard rose from the dead? Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead, met with his followers for 40 days and then went to heaven?

According to the gospels, Jesus made the following prophecy.....
Matthew 12:39-40(King James Version)
39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

In this prophecy, Jesus is predicting his death, and that after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, he would show himself to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead.

The prophecy failed because Jesus never showed himself alive to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead.
Jesus only showed himself to his own followers according to the Bible. Presumedly, his own followers were not evil and adulterous.

Proof positive...an unfulfilled prophecy...a false prophet...no resurrection.

[brianbbs67]

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He didn’t promise to show himself. He promised the sing and the sign is that he is 3 days and nights in grave. And at least by what the Bible tells, also other than disciples got the news that the grave is empty. To fulfill the prophesy, he needed to be out of the grave in 72 hours.

Bold added

What mental gymnastics are required to make Friday evening to Sunday morning 'three days and nights in the grave'?

Probably some very interesting. However, Bible doesn’t tell Jesus died on Friday and therefore there is no reason for me to try mental gymnastics in this.

I believe you refer to this, the two Sabbaths of that week.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

[EarthScienceguy]

An interesting fact concerning Jesus' post resurrection appearances is that the only people that the Bible reports having seen the allegedly risen Jesus are followers of Jesus.
If the church of Scientology reported that L Ron Hubbard rose from the dead, met with his followers and then after 40 days went to heaven, would you believe that Hubbard rose from the dead? Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead, met with his followers for 40 days and then went to heaven?

Ok, lets compare the two events. Here is what happen at Jesus' death.

51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!�

So did the dead raise at the resurrection of Hubbard? Did those that had died before walk around LA.? Or wherever it was the Hubbard died?

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ccording to the gospels, Jesus made the following prophecy.....
Matthew 12:39-40(King James Version)
39But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

In this prophecy, Jesus is predicting his death, and that after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, he would show himself to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead.

Not only did Jesus raise from the dead but the dead saints were also raised from the dead and walked around the city of Jerusalem. I believe that was quite the sign.

Saul was not one his followers and he saw Jesus on the Road to Damascus and in Arabia.

[Clownboat]

An interesting fact concerning Jesus' post resurrection appearances is that the only people that the Bible reports having seen the allegedly risen Jesus are followers of Jesus.
If the church of Scientology reported that L Ron Hubbard rose from the dead, met with his followers and then after 40 days went to heaven, would you believe that Hubbard rose from the dead? Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead, met with his followers for 40 days and then went to heaven?

Ok, lets compare the two events. Here is what happen at Jesus' death.

51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!�

So did the dead raise at the resurrection of Hubbard? Did those that had died before walk around LA.? Or wherever it was the Hubbard died?

Does anyone notice how this fails to address the question that was posed to earthscienceguy bolded above?
I think we all know why he must duck, dodge and dive.

Not only did Jesus raise from the dead but the dead saints were also raised from the dead and walked around the city of Jerusalem.

Please show that you speak the truth or do the honorable thing and retract this statement.

[1213]

…I believe you refer to this, the two Sabbaths of that week.

http://thewayofthemessiah.org/tsp.html

Yes, thank you, I think that has explained it quite well.

[Clownboat]

An interesting fact concerning Jesus' post resurrection appearances is that the only people that the Bible reports having seen the allegedly risen Jesus are followers of Jesus.
If the church of Scientology reported that L Ron Hubbard rose from the dead, met with his followers and then after 40 days went to heaven, would you believe that Hubbard rose from the dead? Do you believe that Jesus rose from the dead, met with his followers for 40 days and then went to heaven?

Ok, lets compare the two events. Here is what happen at Jesus' death.

51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs also were opened. And many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, 53 and coming out of the tombs after his resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many. 54 When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said, “Truly this was the Son of God!�

So did the dead raise at the resurrection of Hubbard? Did those that had died before walk around LA.? Or wherever it was the Hubbard died?

Does anyone notice how this fails to address the question that was posed to earthscienceguy bolded above?
I think we all know why he must duck, dodge and dive.

Not only did Jesus raise from the dead but the dead saints were also raised from the dead and walked around the city of Jerusalem.

Please show that you speak the truth or do the honorable thing and retract this statement.

I know it has only been a few days, but you have responded in other threads. So I thought I would ask again if you were going to evidence your claim, or do the honorable thing and retract it?

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 14 by Tcg]

Assuming Jonah's story is true, he went to Nineveh and claimed to be in the belly of a whale.

I'm not sure how this addresses either my post or the OP. The OP states in part:

• "In this prophecy, Jesus is predicting his death, and that after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, he would show himself to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead."

The aspect being questioned is whether Jesus showed himself to an "evil and adulterous generation" after rising from the dead. At least according to the story, we know that Jonah appeared to many after being in the belly of a whale.


Tcg

How many people saw him after he was in the whale? Probably zero. Then he went to Nineveh and preached and told them to repent.

[Zzyzx]

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How many people saw him after he was in the whale? Probably zero. Then he went to Nineveh and preached and told them to repent.

Is there verifiable evidence that he 'went to Nineveh and preached and told them to repent"?

Or is that just opinion or speculation?

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 14 by Tcg]

Assuming Jonah's story is true, he went to Nineveh and claimed to be in the belly of a whale.

I'm not sure how this addresses either my post or the OP. The OP states in part:

• "In this prophecy, Jesus is predicting his death, and that after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, he would show himself to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead."

The aspect being questioned is whether Jesus showed himself to an "evil and adulterous generation" after rising from the dead. At least according to the story, we know that Jonah appeared to many after being in the belly of a whale.


Tcg

How many people saw him after he was in the whale? Probably zero. Then he went to Nineveh and preached and told them to repent.

If there is any truth to the story, many of those who repented would have seen him after he had been in the whale. Unless you are suggesting that those who heard him preach couldn't see him.


Tcg

[Charles]

In this prophecy, Jesus is predicting his death, and that after 3 days and 3 nights in the grave, he would show himself to his "evil and adulterous generation" as a sign that he had risen from the dead.

Wow, just a bit off, eh? Where is the reference to His resurrection after 3 days and nights in the earth being proof of His resurrection? What a mess...

You say Jesus predicted, prophesied He would prove His resurrection after He said no miracle would be given to the evil generation except Jonah: 39 Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Iow His words in no way were a prophecy to the evil generation in the least...Jonah was.

What He said was that Jonah being in the whale for 3 days and 3 nights was a physical type of prophecy called a type about Himself that He would be in the centre of the earth for 3 days and nights. He does not explain the import of this prophecy of Jonah's story about Him but leaves it for His disciples to understand later, after His resurrection, giving the evil generation nothing more!

[Zzyzx]

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Wow, just a bit off, eh? Where is the reference to His resurrection after 3 days and nights in the earth being proof of His resurrection? What a mess...

Three days and three nights? That would be 72 hours.

Biblical accounts and church tradition seem to indicate from Friday afternoon or evening to Sunday morning. If that is correct, it is more like a day and a half -- 36 hours -- two nights and one day.