Spicy or Extra Crispy?

[Red Wolf]

Spicy or Extra Crispy?

As we all know when Jesus was buried they applied 100 pounds of spices to his corpse according to the KJV. [75 lbs according to some translations]
Quote:
John 19:39-40 (King James Version)
39And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

So Joseph of Arimathea, and Nicodemus, wrapped Jesus' corpse in linen and a whole lot of spices.


A couple of days later the women went back to the tomb to spice him up again.
I wonder...wasn't he spicy enough with 100 pounds? Why did the women need more spice?
Was it their intention to unwrap Jesus' corpse, apply more spice, and then rewrap Jesus' corpse? Remember, Mary Magdalene was present when Joseph of Arimathea, and Nicodemus, originally spiced up Jesus' corpse. Wasn't 100 pounds of spice enough? Doesn't it seem far-fetched for the women to unwrap, spice, and rewrap, after the corpse already was bloated with 100 pounds of spice?
Or was this just a literary device to have someone go to the tomb and discover the empty tomb, revealing that this story is just a masterpiece of fiction?
Doesn't this prove the resurrection tale is just fiction?

[JehovahsWitness]

Doesn't it seem far-fetched for the women to unwrap, spice, ...with 100 pounds of spice?

Historical records show that the more respected an individual was, the larger the quantity of these costly materials used in the burial perpetration. Josephus records that forty pounds of spices were used at the funeral of the highly respected elder R. Gamaliel (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 17c.8, s.3)

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Gamaliel, though respected was not held as a prophet.

[Red Wolf]

[Replying to post 2 by JehovahsWitness]

I'm sorry...I don't understand your post...can you clarify?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 3 by Red Wolf]

See edit.

NOTE According to the website : https://www.aftermath.com/content/human-decomposition/

3-5 days after death — the body starts to bloat and blood-containing foam leaks from the mouth and nose.

So under normal circumstances Jesus body would not yet have started to bloat when the women visited the grave early Sunday morning


Regards,

JW

[Red Wolf]

But the spices raise other questions.
I searched the internet to try and find reasons why spices would be applied to a body.
I found out that spices are applied to a corpse to reduce the odor from the corruption of the flesh. But Jesus expected to only be three days in the tomb. He expected to resurrect and that is what he said. If his followers believed Jesus and believed he would only be three days in the grave, why bother with spices to retard decomposition and reduce the smell of corruption of the flesh? Doesn't something smell fishy about Jesus supposed resurrection?

Peter used the following Scripture to describe Jesus and his resurrection.
Quote:
Acts 2:27(King James Version)
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

If Peter was correct ...why were the spices necessary?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 5 by Red Wolf]

Spicing the body was a traditional funeral rite for a dead body. Regardless of how long Jesus expected to be dead, he was going to be dead.

NOTE The website https://ecobear.co/biohazard-cleaning/u ... ing-death/ explains : "Technically, the odor associated with a dead body after two or three days is the result of the gas being expelled by the process of bacteria consuming the body via the process of decomposition or the decomposing of human organs"

There is therefore no reason Jesus to instruct his follows not to treat his body as any other corpse as he would be dead. Indeed one could speculate that telling his disciples NOT to treat his corpse in the habitial gfashion might have communicated the idea that he wasn't really dead, which might have in turn given rise to some kind of death cult...or idol worship of the corpse as that which arose in the relic worshipping Catholic church some time after.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 5 by Red Wolf]

Spicing the body was a traditional funeral rite for a dead body. Regardless of how long Jesus expected to be dead, he was going to be dead for at least part of three days. There is therefore no reason Jesus to instruct his follows not to treat his body as any other corpse.

Indeed one could speculate that telling his disciples NOT to treat his corpse in the habitial gfashion might have communicated the idea that he wasn't really dead, which might have in turn given rise to some kind of death cult...or idol worship of the corpse as that which arose in the relic worshipping Catholic church some time after.

Putrefaction begins immediately when a person dies. Within 24 hours a body starts to smell. The spices were not for dead who can smell nothing but for the living who can smell. (Ecc 9:6)

[Red Wolf]

The Jesus Spice Story

Quote:
John 19:39 (King James Version)
39And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

According to the KJV, Jesus' body was wrapped in linen with 100 pounds of spices. The NIV says 75 pounds. I assume the difference is due to translation of the ancient unit of measure.

But whether it is 75 pounds or 100 pounds.....that's a lot of spices.

I looked on the internet and discovered that aloes and myrrh have specific gravities that are very very close to the specific gravity of water.
A gallon of water weighs 8.33 pounds.
If we divide 8.33 into 75 pounds, we discover that 75 pounds of spices are the volume of nine one gallon jugs.

Go look in your refrigerator. You probably have a one gallon jug of milk. That will illustrate the volume of one gallon. Now mentally consider wrapping a corpse with nine gallons of spices. I don't think it is possible. It is like stuffing the proverbial five pound bag with ten pounds of sh*t.

I think that this demonstrates once again that the resurrection story is fiction.

Red Wolf

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 5 by Red Wolf]

HOW ARE WE TO UNDERSTAND ACTS 2:27

Acts 2:27(King James Version)
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Basically we can understand the expression to mean Jesus body wouldnt decay to dust.

Indeed it seems God disposed of Jesus the physical body of before it began to decay. We don't know if this was within minutes or hours of its last being viewed or whether (like modern day refrigeration processes) he simply preserved it for witnesses until he was ready to dispose of it, but in any case the promise was that he would not allow the body to decompose* - Lu 24:3-6; Joh 20:2-9.

* Just because Jesus was resurrected after three days it doesn't mean his body was left in the grave three days

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 1 by Red Wolf]

Egyptians, socially higher ranking individuals of some South American cultures, some Native North American people...they were buried with things like jewels, animals and things thought to help the cross over, etc. Not sure why this culture wouldn't be so different. Why they wanted to go back again? Probably was cultural as well. Though it's not a job I'd want to do.