Is the Jehovah Witness Religion a Christian Religion?

[polonius]

Do Jehovah Witnesses consider Jesus Christ to be God? If so, does it maintain that there are two divine persons? God and Jesus Christ?

Are both God and Jesus eternal and coequal?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 45 by Checkpoint]

OK, Checkpoint's twin. You seem to have two different viewpoints. But...nevermind. You say that my argument is so lame that it doesn't even get off the starting block. So be it. You are entitled to your POV.



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Two different viewpoints? Have I?

Tell me more, onewithhim!

I swear, sometimes I say to myself---THIS is Checkpoint?? Many months ago I said to you that you must let your evangelistic wife come on the forum and answer for you. You said no, but occasionally I see what seems like another personality coming through on your posts. You sympathize with JWs and then you don't. It's confusing.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 49 by Checkpoint]

Two different viewpoints? Have I?

Tell me more, onewithhim!

I swear, sometimes I say to myself---THIS is Checkpoint?? Many months ago I said to you that you must let your evangelistic wife come on the forum and answer for you. You said no, but occasionally I see what seems like another personality coming throuegh on your posts. You sympathize with JWs and then you don't. It's confusing.

Well I never!

One personality, or two?

I sympathise with JWs and then I don't?

Nobody ever writes for me, I do it all using my one personality.

Why is it confusing to you that I agree with you on some things but disagree on others?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 28 by marco]NOTE All posts I write represent my personal faith based beliefs as one of Jehovah's Witnesses


DOES THE TEACCHING OF "THE GREAT APOSTACY" CONTRADICT JESUS STATEMENT AT MAT 16:18?

MATTHEW 16:18 ESV

I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Jesus was indicated that the results of his earthly ministry would be compromised very early on, and that this situation would continue for a significant period of time (see Matthew 13).

• The first century church "leaders" reflected this inevitability in their writings. Paul and John, for example spoke of individuals that sought to enter the Christian community and pervert its teachings from within and warned towards the end of the first century they were already at work. While they (The Apostles charged by Jesus to safeguard the congregation) where alive, such unscrupulous individuals were held at bay. But after the death of John, held to be the last of the Apostles, the rot set in with "wolves in sheep's clothing" progressively corrupting the pure teachings of Christ.
  
  By the end of the second century the church Christ founded was hardly recognisable, with the adoptions of teachings such a the trinity, eternal torture of immortal "souls" and an oppressive "clergy class" (man of lawlessness) that would eventually lay claim to infallibility, and involements in politics. Indeed by the 3rd and 4th century, false religion had given birth to its newest and most reprehensible "baby" "the mother church" who would, like Babylon, give birth in turn to thousands of illegitimate denominations. And with that, true Christianity as an organzed body *faded from the earthly scene and the antichrist mother church took center stage.

*individual spirit anointed Christians would continue to serve God as best they could but there would no longer be an international organization for them to gather in.

DOES THIS NOT MEAN THAT THE TRUE CHURCH DID NOT PREVAIL?

• No, to PREVAIL means "prove more powerful or superior", Merriams parelels it with to "triumph". Both indicate the final outcome of a struggle or challenge. Ceding place, not entering into a struggle, or refusjng to fight as a tactical measure during the course of a confrontation is not being beaten or prevailed over. Jesus indicated that his allowing the aforementioned situation was for a specific reason.
  

  To illustrate: If a boxer, aware the match is 12 rounds, decides to assume a defensive position throwing few, if any punches until round 11 and then knocks his opponent out winning the match, which of the two "prevailed"?

  Jesus indicated in his illustrations of the wheat and the weeds that he would wait for the "harvest season" to reorganisation his followers in time for his return. This would allow the world's inhabitants that love truth to distingish themselves from those that do not. The "harvest season" (which began in 20th century) would be round 11 and Babylon (false religion) and her prostitute daughter (the mother church) indeed began to take some severe blows to the head at that time. Her final "knock out" soon awaits (see Revelation 17).

CONCLUSION


Matthew 13 and Matthew 16:18 harmonize entirely when we understand the battle may have began in the first century but the war is still on. Only at the end of this system will we see who "prevailed" (triumphed). Spoiler: It will be Christ's True church revealed for the world to see.

FURTHER READING

Do You Need Organized Religion?
https://www.jw.org/en/publications/maga ... -religion/[

Recommended Reading "Mankind's search for God"
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 859#816859

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[2timothy316]

[Replying to post 52 by JehovahsWitness]

There was another time when something promised to go forever seemed like it wouldn't prevail and that was the line of King David.

Jeremiah 33:17 says, "“For this is what Jehovah says: ‘There will never fail to be a man from David’s line to sit on the throne of the house of Israel.""

However, after Zedekiah there was no one from the line of David put on the throne in Israel. Then the whole nation of Israel was scattered, Jerusalem razed, and the temple was destroyed in 70 C.E. Does that mean that Jehovah's promise wasn't kept?

Not according to Daniel. Daniel prophesied that the tree or line of David would be cut down. But the stump would remain yet copper bands would be put around it to prevent it from growing. However, that tree would be restored, because the roots were not removed the tree grew again.

In fact, the restoration of that line of David coincides with the restoration of true worship. The harvest of the the wheat and the weeds. Or the reemergence of the true Christian congregation. The time of the nations trampling on Jerusalem (the trampling of true worship) and the absence of a king on the throne of Israel from line of David are one in the same.

[JehovahsWitness]

[T]here was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Who in late Antiquity believed as you do now? Who in the High Middle Ages?

I believe that Sir Isaac Newton is very possibly one of the persons that believed as we do. He wrote a lot of stuff on the subject of religion. He did not believe in the Trinity.

I gathered as one quotes by him if you're interested owh...HERE. He was pretty smart, but it just wasn't time yet (apparently he wrote more on theology than he did on science, but people know little of that side of his work)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 836#993836

There's more but I found the 17th century English rather hard going...

[Checkpoint]

[T]here was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Who in late Antiquity believed as you do now? Who in the High Middle Ages?

I believe that Sir Isaac Newton is very possibly one of the persons that believed as we do. He wrote a lot of stuff on the subject of religion. He did not believe in the Trinity.

I gathered as one quotes by him if you're interested owh...HERE. He was pretty smart, but it just wasn't time yet (apparently he wrote more on theology than he did on science, but people know little of that side of his work)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 836#993836

There's more but I found the 17th century English rather hard going...

What I find rather hard going is the claim that there were always, down through the centuries, those who believed "as you(JWs) do now".

i Newton was not one of them; no trinity does not fit the bill; it is only one of many JW beliefs.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 52 by JehovahsWitness]

Jesus indicated in his illustrations of the wheat and the weeds that he would wait for the "harvest season" to reorganisation his followers in time for his return.

Nope. There is no such indication in that parable or in its explanation.

[onewithhim]

[T]here was always someone on Earth that believed as we do now. So we are not a "new" sect.

Who in late Antiquity believed as you do now? Who in the High Middle Ages?

I believe that Sir Isaac Newton is very possibly one of the persons that believed as we do. He wrote a lot of stuff on the subject of religion. He did not believe in the Trinity.

I gathered as one quotes by him if you're interested owh...HERE. He was pretty smart, but it just wasn't time yet (apparently he wrote more on theology than he did on science, but people know little of that side of his work)
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 836#993836

There's more but I found the 17th century English rather hard going...

I have books about Newton and some of his writings on the Scriptures. I didn't come up with the possibility of his being one of the true Christians in the history of the world on my own. The Watchtower recently said that he MAY be in that category.

I hear what you're saying about 17th century English. It's just like the KJV.




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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 55 by Checkpoint]

We can't say with certainty who any of the true Christians were. But we sure know who HASN'T been.

Have you ever looked up the histories of the individual popes? I thought the Borgias were bad, and then I read about most of the other popes, and they were just as bad. Murder, immorality in spades, scheming to destroy people in their way, greed....they were almost all guilty of every one of the deadly sins.

So who were the people on earth that could be called the "fine wheat," or, "the sons of the Kingdom," throughout the centuries? We don't know. Someday I'm confident that we will find out.


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[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 52 by JehovahsWitness]

Jesus indicated in his illustrations of the wheat and the weeds that he would wait for the "harvest season" to reorganisation his followers in time for his return.

Nope. There is no such indication in that parable or in its explanation.

Didn't Jesus say that the "weeds" would be revealed at "harvest time," and the true sons of the Kingdom would "shine brightly?" There is definitely a differentiation between the weeds and the wheat.


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