Which gospel writer attended the trial of Jesus?

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Which gospel writer attended the trial of Jesus?

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There is only one Gospel which reports the trial of Jesus. That is the Gospel of John written about 95 A.D. Which of Jesus' disciples was present at the trial of Jesus?

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Re: Which gospel writer attended the trial of Jesus?

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rstrats wrote: Checkpoint,

I don't see where your references mention John.
It is about John, but he is not named.

John wrote this Gospel, and always puts himself in the third person like this.

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Re: Which gospel writer attended the trial of Jesus?

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Checkpoint wrote:
rstrats wrote: Checkpoint,

I don't see where your references mention John.
It is about John, but he is not named.

John wrote this Gospel, and always puts himself in the third person like this.
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

In any case, we don't know for sure who wrote this Gospel.


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The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

John was accepted as writer until 19th century

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Yahwehismywitness wrote:
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

John was accepted as writer until 19th century
You've provided no evidence to support this claim. It matters little, however, given that this assertion, even if true, in no way changes the fact I have presented.


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Tcg wrote:
Yahwehismywitness wrote:
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

John was accepted as writer until 19th century
You've provided no evidence to support this claim. It matters little, however, given that this assertion, even if true, in no way changes the fact I have presented.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle

Irenaeus asserted that four Gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, were canonical scripture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irenaeus

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Yahwehismywitness wrote:
Tcg wrote:
Yahwehismywitness wrote:
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

John was accepted as writer until 19th century
You've provided no evidence to support this claim. It matters little, however, given that this assertion, even if true, in no way changes the fact I have presented.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle
Here is a direct quote from the article you referenced:
  • "The Gospel of John was written by an anonymous author."
This supports the fact I have presented. Of course one doesn't need to rely on Wikipedia to learn this fact. A quick read of the gospel will reveal it.


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Tcg wrote:
Yahwehismywitness wrote:
Tcg wrote:
Yahwehismywitness wrote:
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

John was accepted as writer until 19th century
You've provided no evidence to support this claim. It matters little, however, given that this assertion, even if true, in no way changes the fact I have presented.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_the_Apostle
Here is a direct quote from the article you referenced:
  • "The Gospel of John was written by an anonymous author."
This supports the fact I have presented. Of course one doesn't need to rely on Wikipedia to learn this fact. A quick read of the gospel will reveal it.


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What "fact" have you presented as to authorship?

A quick read will reveal that John is not the author?

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Both Irenaeus and Tertullian[3] record that Polycarp had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4] In Illustrious Men.17, Jerome writes that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna.[5]

3 witnesses if Apostle John if he had not written Polycarp would not have used nor Irrenaeus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp

There are plenty of links there relating to Polycarp's writings that wiki used

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Yahwehismywitness wrote: Both Irenaeus and Tertullian[3] record that Polycarp had been a disciple of John the Apostle.[4] In Illustrious Men.17, Jerome writes that Polycarp was a disciple of John and that John had ordained him bishop of Smyrna.[5]

3 witnesses if Apostle John if he had not written Polycarp would not have used nor Irrenaeus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycarp

There are plenty of links there relating to Polycarp's writings that wiki used
I am unclear as to whether your post 46 is an answer to my post 45.

Is John a Gospel writer or is he not?

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Re: Which gospel writer attended the trial of Jesus?

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Tcg wrote:
Checkpoint wrote:
rstrats wrote: Checkpoint,

I don't see where your references mention John.
It is about John, but he is not named.

John wrote this Gospel, and always puts himself in the third person like this.
The Gospel of John is anonymous. At the end of the Gospel the author is identified as, "the disciple whom Jesus loved." Some have argued that this refers to Lazarus and not John.

In any case, we don't know for sure who wrote this Gospel.

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I guess no one can "know for sure" who authored something nearly 2000 years ago.

However, the Lazarus suggestion gets one nowhere fast.

He was not a disciple, and certainly not one of the 12 as John was.

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