But is everything declared to be so by the Church, true?

[polonius]

A recent response to a post contained a very common belief among
Catholics:

"The CC has declared that ….."

Do you believe everything that the Catholic Church declares? Shall we look at some "infallible" teachings?

[polonius]

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

This is one of the only Catholics in heaven infallible teachings. And, of course infallible teachings are unchangeable!

[MarysSon]

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

This is one of the only Catholics in heaven infallible teachings. And, of course infallible teachings are unchangeable!

Every Christ IS subject to the Bishop of Rome - whether YOU believe it or not.

This isn't a "damnation" of non-Catholics. It's a simple fact, based on Scripture (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-32, John 21:15-19), etc.
the church's teaching Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church there Is No Salvation) does NOT mean that only Catholics get to go to Heaven.

It teaches that -
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (847)"

[polonius]

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

This is one of the only Catholics in heaven infallible teachings. And, of course infallible teachings are unchangeable!

Every Christ IS subject to the Bishop of Rome - whether YOU believe it or not.

This isn't a "damnation" of non-Catholics. It's a simple fact, based on Scripture (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-32, John 21:15-19), etc.
the church's teaching Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church there Is No Salvation) does NOT mean that only Catholics get to go to Heaven.

It teaches that -
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (847)"

RESPONSE: Yes, indeed. The "infallible" papal teaching was then in effect was shown to be an error. (But don' tell a old-line Catholic that the Church was wrong and changed the unchangeable papal teaching!)

[polonius]

Will you please list for me all the infallible pronouncements made by different Popes since the time of Christ and the Apostles. I mean those made on their sole authority, not by Councils of the Church under their direction.

" I will do what I can for you, reducing things to a minimum of description. In each case I will merely name the Pope, the document, the date and the subject matter of the Decree. They are as follows: (1) Pope Leo I Decree: "Lectis Dilectionis Tuae," to Flavian, Patriarch of Constantinople, June 13, 449 A.D. On the Divinity of Christ. 1 (2) Pope Agatho Decree: "Omnium Bonorum Spes," 680 A.D. On the Divine and Human Wills in Christ. (3) Pope Boniface VIII Decree: "Unam Sanctam," Nov. 18, 1302. On Papal Supremacy in the Church. (4) Pope Benedict XII Decree: "Benedictus Deus," Tan. 29 1336 On the Heavenly Destiny of the Saints. (5) Pope Leo X Decree: "Exsurge Domine," June 15, 1520. Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther. (6) Pope Innocent X Decree: "Cum Occasione," May 31, 1653. Condemning the Errors of the Jansenists. (7) Pope Innocent XI Decree: "Coelestis Pastor," Nov. 19, 1687. Condemning the Errors of the Quietists. (8) Pope Clement XI Decree: "Unigenitus," Sept. 8, 1713. Condemning the False Teachings of Paschasius Quesnel. (9) Pope Pius VI Decree: "Auctorem Fidei," Aug. 28, 1794. Condemning the False Teachings of the Synod of Pistoia. (10) Pope Pius IX Decree: "Ineffabilis Deus," Dec. 8, 1854. Defining the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Same Pope. Decree:"Quanta Cura," Dec. 8, 1864. Condemning Secularism and Communism. NOTE: Under the presidency of Pope Pius IX, July 18, 1870, the Vatican Council defined Papal Infallibility. (11) Pope Leo XIII Decree: "Apostolicae Curae," Sept. 13, 1896. Condemned Anglican Orders as null and void. Same Pope. Decree: "Testem Benevolentiae," Jan. 22, 1899. Condemned merely Naturalistic Interpretations of Christian Activities. NOTE: There are some Catholic theologians who hold that, although these two decrees of Pope Leo XIII are of the utmost authority, they still fall short of technical requirements for infallible "ex cathedra" utterances. In practice all hold that they are binding on all the faithful. (12) Pope Pius X Decree: "Lamentabili," July 3, 1907; and again, Decree: "Pascendi," Sept. 7, 1907. Condemning the Errors of the Modernists. (13) Pope Pius XI. Two utterances very probably comply with the requirements of an "ex cathedra" decision, namely, the solemn declaration that contraceptive birth control is, of its very nature, a grave violation of the Law of God ("Casti Connubii," Dec. 31, 1930) and the condemnation of materialistic Socialism as quite opposed to the Christian religion ("Quadragesimo Anno," May 15, 1931). (14) Pope Pius XII Decree: "Munificentissimus Deus," Nov. 1, 1950. Defining the Dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary into Heaven."

Incidentally, you do do know the Church dropped the Limbo teaching as well, don't you

The only two the church has left are the Assumption (a fourth century fiction), and the the Immaculate Conception of Mary (a 750 AD fiction). Neither are in the Bible!

[MarysSon]

RESPONSE: Yes, indeed. The "infallible" papal teaching was then in effect was shown to be an error. (But don' tell a old-line Catholic that the Church was wrong and changed the unchangeable papal teaching!)

And, as I already educated you - he was merely parroting the teaching, Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus.

Besides - if you were a Catholic at some point - you only left because of ignorance of the faith as ALL former Catholics do . . .

[MarysSon]

Will you please list for me all the infallible pronouncements made by different Popes since the time of Christ and the Apostles. I mean those made on their sole authority, not by Councils of the Church under their direction.

" I will do what I can for you, reducing things to a minimum of description. In each case I will merely name the Pope, the document, the date and the subject matter of the Decree. They are as follows: (1) Pope Leo I Decree: "Lectis Dilectionis Tuae," to Flavian, Patriarch of Constantinople, June 13, 449 A.D. On the Divinity of Christ. 1 (2) Pope Agatho Decree: "Omnium Bonorum Spes," 680 A.D. On the Divine and Human Wills in Christ. (3) Pope Boniface VIII Decree: "Unam Sanctam," Nov. 18, 1302. On Papal Supremacy in the Church. (4) Pope Benedict XII Decree: "Benedictus Deus," Tan. 29 1336 On the Heavenly Destiny of the Saints. (5) Pope Leo X Decree: "Exsurge Domine," June 15, 1520. Condemning the Errors of Martin Luther. (6) Pope Innocent X Decree: "Cum Occasione," May 31, 1653. Condemning the Errors of the Jansenists. (7) Pope Innocent XI Decree: "Coelestis Pastor," Nov. 19, 1687. Condemning the Errors of the Quietists. (8) Pope Clement XI Decree: "Unigenitus," Sept. 8, 1713. Condemning the False Teachings of Paschasius Quesnel. (9) Pope Pius VI Decree: "Auctorem Fidei," Aug. 28, 1794. Condemning the False Teachings of the Synod of Pistoia. (10) Pope Pius IX Decree: "Ineffabilis Deus," Dec. 8, 1854. Defining the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception of the Blessed Virgin Mary. Same Pope. Decree:"Quanta Cura," Dec. 8, 1864. Condemning Secularism and Communism. NOTE: Under the presidency of Pope Pius IX, July 18, 1870, the Vatican Council defined Papal Infallibility. (11) Pope Leo XIII Decree: "Apostolicae Curae," Sept. 13, 1896. Condemned Anglican Orders as null and void. Same Pope. Decree: "Testem Benevolentiae," Jan. 22, 1899. Condemned merely Naturalistic Interpretations of Christian Activities. NOTE: There are some Catholic theologians who hold that, although these two decrees of Pope Leo XIII are of the utmost authority, they still fall short of technical requirements for infallible "ex cathedra" utterances. In practice all hold that they are binding on all the faithful. (12) Pope Pius X Decree: "Lamentabili," July 3, 1907; and again, Decree: "Pascendi," Sept. 7, 1907. Condemning the Errors of the Modernists. (13) Pope Pius XI. Two utterances very probably comply with the requirements of an "ex cathedra" decision, namely, the solemn declaration that contraceptive birth control is, of its very nature, a grave violation of the Law of God ("Casti Connubii," Dec. 31, 1930) and the condemnation of materialistic Socialism as quite opposed to the Christian religion ("Quadragesimo Anno," May 15, 1931). (14) Pope Pius XII Decree: "Munificentissimus Deus," Nov. 1, 1950. Defining the Dogma of the Assumption of the Blessed Virgin Mary into Heaven."

Incidentally, you do do know the Church dropped the Limbo teaching as well, don't you

The only two the church has left are the Assumption (a fourth century fiction), and the the Immaculate Conception of Mary (a 750 AD fiction). Neither are in the Bible!

Actually - I'm not quite sure what you're claiming here.
I assume that you're making the false claim that the Catholic Church has "dumped" all but TWO infallible teachings - is that it??

As for your claim above in RED - this simply illustrates why I said that you left the Catholic Church out of sheer ignorance.
"Limbo" has NEVER been an official teaching of the Church. It was only used as a way of trying to reason what happened to unbaptized babies because Scripture is silent on the matter.

Not ONE Catholic doctrine has ever changed - unlike Protestantism, where doctrines change as often as people change their underwear . . .[/i]

[polonius]

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

This is one of the only Catholics in heaven infallible teachings. And, of course infallible teachings are unchangeable!

Every Christ IS subject to the Bishop of Rome - whether YOU believe it or not.

This isn't a "damnation" of non-Catholics. It's a simple fact, based on Scripture (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-32, John 21:15-19), etc.
the church's teaching Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church there Is No Salvation) does NOT mean that only Catholics get to go to Heaven.

It teaches that -
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (847)"

RESPONSE: I think that you will find that this is a 1964 Vatican II change, not the original "infallible" teaching!

[MarysSon]

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated November 18, 1302

This is one of the only Catholics in heaven infallible teachings. And, of course infallible teachings are unchangeable!

Every Christ IS subject to the Bishop of Rome - whether YOU believe it or not.

This isn't a "damnation" of non-Catholics. It's a simple fact, based on Scripture (Matt. 16:18-19, Luke 22:30-32, John 21:15-19), etc.
the church's teaching Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (Outside the Church there Is No Salvation) does NOT mean that only Catholics get to go to Heaven.

It teaches that -
"Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. (847)"

RESPONSE: I think that you will find that this is a 1964 Vatican II change, not the original "infallible" teaching!

THANK YOU for finally admitting that you don't understand how the Church works . . .

The teaching was officially defined at the 2nd Vatican Council. This does NOT mean that it wasn't always a teaching of the Church.
The same if true for the Trinity. It wasn't officially defined until the Church was about 300 years old - but it was ALWAYS taught.

[Elijah John]

As for your claim above in RED - this simply illustrates why I said that you left the Catholic Church out of sheer ignorance

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