Nothing is certain; everything is permitted

[Seek]

Our knowledge comes from our inherently subjective perception, which has shown to be fallible. There is no truth, merely coincidental attitudes driven by probability. If there is no truth in perception, then there is no right or wrong about anything. Anyone be allowed to steal, slander, hurt, humiliate, insult, bully, swear at or even kill anyone at any time. Basically, anyone is permitted to do anything at any time. Normal people would say ”but Seek, there are laws you have to abide by”, but my response to them is ”How do I know my belief system isn’t flawed in such a way that enables me to do criminal things?”

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #19]

Of course not. God stands for love and light, He knows what is best for us, sincere prayer is always answered as He knows our hearts. Prayers are not necessarily as we would wish but what is best . This is faith.

So despite sincere prayer always being answered, sometimes it's not? How does that work? I ask because the first clause is contradicted by the second clause.

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[amortalman]

There is no truth, merely coincidental attitudes driven by probability.

Is that the truth?

[amortalman]

[Replying to Miles in post #21]

Miles wrote: "God stands for love and light, He knows what is best for us, sincere prayer is always answered as He knows our hearts.

What about an entire community praying for the safe return of a kidnapped little girl only to find her raped and strangled body in a ditch a few days later? How does that fit in with love and light? Did God think it was best to end a young life so horribly and subject her family to unimaginable pain? Maybe he knew the hearts of everyone praying and decided their prayers did not deserve a good outcome.

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #21]

Miles wrote: "God stands for love and light, He knows what is best for us, sincere prayer is always answered as He knows our hearts.

What about an entire community praying for the safe return of a kidnapped little girl only to find her raped and strangled body in a ditch a few days later? How does that fit in with love and light? Did God think it was best to end a young life so horribly and subject her family to unimaginable pain? Maybe he knew the hearts of everyone praying and decided their prayers did not deserve a good outcome.

I did not write the quote. Rose2020 did.


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[Tcg]

God stands for love and light,

One has to wonder which God you are referring to. It can't be the one described in the Bible.

He knows what is best for us, sincere prayer is always answered as He knows our hearts. Prayers are not necessarily as we would wish but what is best . This is faith.

This has to be faith given that there aren't any verifiable facts to support this claim.


Tcg

[Rose2020]

[Replying to Miles in post #21]
Prayer is answered but not to any demands. God decides how to help us. We can only cry out to him, then trust.

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #21]
Prayer is answered but not to any demands. God decides how to help us. We can only cry out to him, then trust.

Nothing was ever said about demands, so I don't know why you're bringing it up. Why are you?

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[amortalman]

[Replying to Miles in post #19]

Of course not. God stands for love and light, He knows what is best for us, sincere prayer is always answered as He knows our hearts. Prayers are not necessarily as we would wish but what is best . This is faith.

What about an entire community praying for the safe return of a kidnapped little girl only to find her raped and strangled body in a ditch a few days later? How does that fit in with love and light? Did God think it was best to end a young life so horribly and subject her family to unimaginable pain? Maybe he knew the hearts of everyone praying and decided their prayers did not deserve a good outcome.

[Rose2020]

[Replying to amortalman in post #28]

That was the deed of an evil criminal. Never the wish of God. That man will be punished, the soul of the child is in heaven and safe now. Those who pray will be given comfort and strength, which is how it has to be. Free will means evil will happen, but God is watching and He will deal with it. Our part is to trust in His judgment not ours.

I recommend please watch a film called 'The Shack'.

[Tcg]

[Replying to amortalman in post #28]

That was the deed of an evil criminal. Never the wish of God.

It is astounding how often those who believe in an almighty God report that a mere human can thwart the wishes of this supposed almighty being. If God actually existed and if this God was actually love and light and whatever other wonderful things could be claimed about it, it would not allow horrible things to happen.

The fact that horrible things happen to innocent humans reveals that either God isn't almighty, or that it isn't loving and light and whatever, or that it doesn't exist. My money is on that this thing called God doesn't exist. It is the most logical explanation for what we see and experience day after day.


Tcg