The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[Brightfame52]

mythone

Nope, God loves and desires the best for everyone.

Nope Just Israel ! A Chosen People. Who is promised to be saved here in the Lord Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

There will always be a nation of Israel.

Do you think the Jews believe in Jesus as their Savior? Are they saved in that regards?

And I find it sad that God doesn't love you.

Actually, the Bible states that God is Love:

He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Where does the Bible state that God only loves the Israelis?

Its not talking about the physical nation of Israel. Now who according to the promise, shall be saved in the Lord Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

[myth-one.com]

Its not talking about the physical nation of Israel. Now who according to the promise, shall be saved in the Lord Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you're not talking about Israel, you're talking about Israel.

That clears it up.

[Brightfame52]

Its not talking about the physical nation of Israel. Now who according to the promise, shall be saved in the Lord Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you're not talking about Israel, you're talking about Israel.

That clears it up.

Yes, Like when Paul said Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

There's Two Israel's

[myth-one.com]

Its not talking about the physical nation of Israel. Now who according to the promise, shall be saved in the Lord Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you're not talking about Israel, you're talking about Israel.

That clears it up.

Yes, Like when Paul said Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

There's Two Israel's

Please identify these "two Israel's.

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #504]

I have and you ignored it.

[Brightfame52]

Its not talking about the physical nation of Israel. Now who according to the promise, shall be saved in the Lord Isa 45:17
17 But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.

So you're not talking about Israel, you're talking about Israel.

That clears it up.

Yes, Like when Paul said Rom 9:6
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

There's Two Israel's

Please identify these "two Israel's.

According to Rom 9:6 how many Israels are there ?

[myth-one.com]

According to Rom 9:6 how many Israels are there ?

Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Looks like one to me?

Why do you claim otherwise?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #507]

It looks like 2 to me, and im baffled you say otherwise. Read it again Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Please if you see one Israel still, expplain the dynamic to me. Also I ask any others who maybe reading, how many Israels do you observe in Rom 9:6

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #507]

It looks like 2 to me, and im baffled you say otherwise. Read it again Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Please if you see one Israel still, expplain the dynamic to me. Also I ask any others who maybe reading, how many Israels do you observe in Rom 9:6

God chose one nation and gave them special significance as God's chosen people:

The Lord thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

God's chosen people were the seed of Abram, whose name was changed to Abraham:

Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; . . .

Abraham's son Isaac later had twin sons named Jacob and Esau. Jacob's name was changed to Israel:

And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.

Israel had twelve sons which became twelve tribes known collectively as the children of Israel.

If there is more than one nation of the children of Israel, then it is not so "special."

[Tcg]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #507]

It looks like 2 to me, and im baffled you say otherwise. Read it again Rom 9:6

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Please if you see one Israel still, expplain the dynamic to me. Also I ask any others who maybe reading, how many Israels do you observe in Rom 9:6

Paul is explaining the difference between being as Israelite by birth versus an Israelite by faith. Non-Israelites can become Israelites through faith and Israelites who aren't of the faith aren't true Israelites.

The verses following 6 clarify this:

Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. [ESV]

Tcg