The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[Brightfame52]

It makes us dead to the Law and sin !

All for whom Christ died, by that death alone , have been made dead to the Law and sin ! Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now some may say that Paul here is referring to believers, and that is absolutely correct, he is speaking to believers because the Truth of what he is stating can only be true of believers, however it was just as true of believers before they became believers, for the Truth of the matter[being dead to the law] had nothing to do with their believing, except it was the foundation upon why they do and must believe.

Unbelievers whom Christ died for are dead to the Law as to its condemning power, for it cannot condemn them, and neither can sin be charged to them. All this is True, not because they believed, or repented, but because Christ has died for their sins against God's Law and Justice, they are 100% acquitted, and so they are dead to the Law, by the Body of Christ, which is to say His Death for them ! 25

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1010]

Im posting them for discussion, do you want to discuss them ?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1010]

Im posting them for discussion, do you want to discuss them ?

Much too long to discuss adequately. Can you summarize your thoughts and make your post more concise?

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #1013]

Okay, thats how you feel, nobody going to put a gun to your head and make you

[Brightfame52]

It makes us dead to the Law and sin ! 2

Because of the accomplishment of the Body of Christ, that is to say His Death, all for whom who died, before they believe, repent, or obey in any capacity, and even while they are born sinners, disobedient, children of wrath by nature as others Eph 2:3, alienated from the life of God, and enemies in their minds by wicked works Col 1:21,notwithstanding , they are born in this world Dead to the Law of God ! How ? BY THE BODY OF CHRIST ! This is not my opinion, but tru biblical fact Rom 7:4

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Now, God had a purpose for that. It was, so that they who are now dead to the Law of God, by Christ's death, it was in order that, or that it may result to the purpose of being married to another, which is Christ ! See before one can be Married to Christ conjugally and Lawfully, their legal husband must be dead, which in this case is the Law of God.

That word married in the original ginomai means:

I come into being, am born, become, come about, happen.

This is the New Birth language, being born again, to come into being, and thats how we become Married to Christ experimentally, by the New Birth, and thats the end result of being dead to the Law by the Body of Christ. Christ's death destroyed the condemning relationship that God's People had under the Law, so that they can legally start a New Fresh Life with their Husband Christ, a Life of Love and Fellowship. Thats why Paul wrote to the Corinthians 1 Cor 1:9

9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thats the intimacy of the Marriage Relationship, Fellowship ! Its the greek word koinónia:

(lit: partnership) (a) contributory help, participation, (b) sharing in, communion, (c) spiritual fellowship, a fellowship in the spirit.

Thats what Marriage is, a Partnership !

Now, with this in Mind, its a must that everyone Christ died for comes into this Partnership with Christ experimentally, if not, it overthrows the purpose of God and the designed end result for Christ having died for them and ending their relationship with the Law ! And this can never be ! 25

[Brightfame52]

Ensures Spiritual Blessing to Seed of Abraham !


Understand this, Christ's death on the Cross was to ensure the Spiritual Blessings Eph 1:3-4 upon Abraham's Seed amongst the Gentiles Gal 3:13-15

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now notice, the Gentiles were to partake of the Blessings of Abraham, receive of the Spirit, according to God's Covenant to Abraham Gal 3:14,16,17 !

His death therefore in fact ensures us that He redeemed from the curse of the Law Vs 13 [both jew and gentile] by the Body of Christ or His Death, ensures that all should be Married to Another Rom 7:4, even to Him that was raised from the dead. Now all for whom by His death have been redeemed from the curse of the Law, do receive the Promise of the Spirit, which makes manifest that they are of Abraham's Seed, and the Spirit communicates in them all needed Spiritual Blessings to do the Will of God as Per Heb 13:20-21

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ[by His Spirit]; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 25

[Brightfame52]

Delivered first, then serve !


Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

This is yet an accomplishment of the death of Christ for all whom He died, jew and or Gentile, that by His death alone they are delivered from all their spiritual enemies, that they may serve God !

That word delivered in Vs 74 is the greek word rhyomai and means:

I.
to draw to one's self, to rescue, to deliver

II.
the deliverer

It also means to be saved "[that] without fear out of [the] hand of our enemies having been saved to serve him"




When Christ's says that He will draw all to Himself in Jn 12:32

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Then He is saying that because of His Death or being lifted up, He will rescue / deliver/ save all men to Himself. To serve Him !

So to be drawn by Christ is to be delivered , rescued, saved from all enemies, especially spiritual enemies, such as spiritual death and unbelief, and the devil, and the flesh, all the enemies of the soul that prevent one from serving God in Faith, in Holiness and Righteousness all the days of their lives !

Its the same word and the same thing Paul writes of here to the Colossian Church Col 1:13

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

You see, that's an spiritual enemy, the power of darkness ! We must be rescued from that Power before we can serve. The word serve in Lk 1:74

is the greek word latreuō:

I.
to serve for hire

II.
to serve, minister to, either to the gods or men and used alike of slaves and freemen
A.
in the NT, to render religious service or homage, to worship

B.
to perform sacred services, to offer gifts, to worship God in the observance of the rites instituted for his worship
i.
of priests, to officiate, to discharge the sacred office

We are by Christ's delivering death, enabled to serve and worship God as described here Jn 4:23-24

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

After being delivered, then we offer up spiritual sacrifices unto God through Jesus Christ 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

By His death alone we are made Sovereignly Priests unto Our God, for thats how we offer spiritual sacrices, again 1 Pet 2:5

5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

We became this not by our will, but by the Blood of Christ, which says so here Rev 1:5-6

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

But before we can serve as such, we must first be delivered/rescued from our enemies Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

False religion says their freewill delivered them to first serve God, then God saves them, they put duty before deliverance, whereas deliverance is before duty ! We do duty not to get delivered, but because we are delivered we do duty, such as Faith and Repentance !


Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver/rescue us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Another spiritual enemies, the world ! Paul says by Christ giving His Life for Our sins, it was for the Purpose of effecting deliverance, according tothe Will of God !

In fact, Paul here is saying the very same thing Zacharias stated here Lk 1:74

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

The world is our enemie James 4:4

4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

And guess what ? We are all by nature, in friendship with the world, we cannot help but be Eph 2:2-3

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

Thank God that through Jesus Christ, all for whom He died have been delivered from the world, to serve God in Holiness and Righteousness all the days of their Life !

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Brightfame52 in post #1017]

It's nice that you differentiated between God and Jesus Christ. They are two individuals. Thank you.

[Brightfame52]

Raised because of our Justification !


If Christ's death alone did not fully Justify from all sin and guilt and penalty, all for whom He died, all for whom sins that had been laid to His charge, had they not been really and truly vindicated, then He himself could not have been risen from the dead, and He and they He died for would be still in their sins, the point of 1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Meaning their sins must still be charged against them against God's Law and Justice !

If Christ had not risen, not only us, but He also would have perished for our sins, again Paul's point of 1 Cor 15:12-18 !

But in that He was indeed raised, it means that that He and all those whose sins which had been charged to Him, have been Justified, Vindicated from all sin, and this fact is what is caused to be received from the Gospel revelation to them 1 Cor 15:3-4;Rom 1:16-17 !

Now if Christ Christ was freed from our sins imputed to Him, MUCH MORE, were all those freed from sin for whom He died Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead[with Christ] is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō:

I.
to render righteous or such he ought to be

II.
to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

III.
to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

This is really saying, those who Christ died for, so they died in Him, when He died, consequently they are Justified from all sin, they are declared Righteous !

As Long as Christ raised from the dead, all for whom He died are declared Righteous before God, and freed from all sin believer or not, the condition is simply Christ having died for them ! 25

[onewithhim]

Raised because of our Justification !


If Christ's death alone did not fully Justify from all sin and guilt and penalty, all for whom He died, all for whom sins that had been laid to His charge, had they not been really and truly vindicated, then He himself could not have been risen from the dead, and He and they He died for would be still in their sins, the point of 1 Cor 15:17

17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

Meaning their sins must still be charged against them against God's Law and Justice !

If Christ had not risen, not only us, but He also would have perished for our sins, again Paul's point of 1 Cor 15:12-18 !

But in that He was indeed raised, it means that that He and all those whose sins which had been charged to Him, have been Justified, Vindicated from all sin, and this fact is what is caused to be received from the Gospel revelation to them 1 Cor 15:3-4;Rom 1:16-17 !

Now if Christ Christ was freed from our sins imputed to Him, MUCH MORE, were all those freed from sin for whom He died Rom 6:7

7 For he that is dead[with Christ] is freed from sin.

The word freed here is the greek word dikaioō:

I.
to render righteous or such he ought to be

II.
to show, exhibit, evince, one to be righteous, such as he is and wishes himself to be considered

III.
to declare, pronounce, one to be just, righteous, or such as he ought to be

This is really saying, those who Christ died for, so they died in Him, when He died, consequently they are Justified from all sin, they are declared Righteous !

As Long as Christ raised from the dead, all for whom He died are declared Righteous before God, and freed from all sin believer or not, the condition is simply Christ having died for them ! 25

Can you please make your posts more succinct?