The Atonement

[Revelations won]

To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

[myth-one.com]

I dont know what you talking about friend.

Yes, I'm totally not surprised by that. Let me simplify it:

You often refer to "everyone that Christ died for" or "those that Christ died for".

Who are the group of humans for which "Christ died for?" Not by individual names, but by groups.

Are they:

1. every human
2. Christians
3. or who?

Thanks in advance.

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #671]

You havent paid attention to a word I said. Christ died for His Elect, Sheep, Church exclusively.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #671]

You havent paid attention to a word I said. Christ died for His Elect, Sheep, Church exclusively.

So to gain salvation, I must be elected, be a sheep, and attend Church.

That's not what our Savior said:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #671]

You havent paid attention to a word I said. Christ died for His Elect, Sheep, Church exclusively.

So to gain salvation, I must be elected, be a sheep, and attend Church.

That's not what our Savior said:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

You in your own little world.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #671]

You havent paid attention to a word I said. Christ died for His Elect, Sheep, Church exclusively.

So to gain salvation, I must be elected, be a sheep, and attend Church.

That's not what our Savior said:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

You in your own little world.

Correct, "whosoever believeth" will have everlasting life!!

But what saves "whosoever believeth"?

It can't be Jesus' death, because all mankind is appointed once to die -- and Jesus' death was His first.

Hint: Salvation is a gift of God through Jesus Christ.

What did Jesus have to give us after living a sinless human life as a Jew and dying without ever committing a sin?

[Brightfame52]

Thou hast received gifts for men !

Ps 68:18

Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them.

As part of His Salvation Accomplishment for all those He died for, The Lord Jesus Christ at His Ascension, received from the Father, for the Grand accomplishment of His Saving Work and Death, His Redemptive Reward, He received the Spirit of Promise, also received Gifts for men See also Eph 4:8

8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

He received Gifts for men and to give to men, but what men ? For all the members of His Body, the Church that He Loved and gave Himself for.

These gifts are spiritual in nature, hence the Holy Spirit is the author of them, and they are also effectual, the effectual working of His Power in them Eph 3:7

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. Cp with Eph 4:7

7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Now He received these Gifts, in the Person of the Holy Spirit, to give to His Members, His Church that He died for as their Covenant Head and Shepherd; In Fact, Christ Himself is the Gift of God, for all those the Father gave Him Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

They were given before the World began, in order that in due time they are to believe in Him. So it is written that to some, that it has been given [Them] not only to believe on Him but also to suffer Phil 1:29

29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; Cp Eph 4:7

And to those it is commanded to believe on the name of the Son of God 1 Jn 3:23

23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

To Believe on the Name of the Son of God, because He was given to them for that Purpose Jn 3:16 because He redeemed them from death, by His Death in their behalf ! 9

[myth-one.com]

Thou hast received gifts for men !

As part of His Salvation Accomplishment for all those He died for, . . .

But who are "all those He died for"?

He received Gifts for men and to give to men, but what men ? For all the members of His Body, the Church that He Loved and gave Himself for.

So all that He died for are members of the Church, or Christians, or believers.

Congratulations, you nailed it. Jesus agrees with you:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

[Brightfame52]

Was raised again for our justification.

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

He was raised again for our Justification, meaning this, The Resurrection of Christ did rightly signify, that as our Surety and Head, when He died with our sins charged to Him, that He was actually Justified from all those sins of the Elect of God charged upon Him, and as the Head is declared Justified by His Resurrection from the dead, so is His Body, the Church. He rose from the dead not as a private person, but as the Shepherd of His Flock Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Now if we preach not this Resurrection, we do Preach another Christ, for to say that none of the members of the Head Christ are not Justified before they believe, is like saying the Head of those members is not Justified before God until all His members believe, which is absurd and a attempt to overthrow the blessed significance of Christ's Resurrection, which also subverts His accomplishment by His Death ! 9

[Brightfame52]

More on Rom 4:25

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

When the Lord Jesus Christ was delivered up for the offences of all those given to Him in Election, and bore their sins in His Body on the Tree, He did meet all the Judicial demands of the law [ on their behalf ] and having satisfied, made propitiation to the Righteous Wrath of God, He was Raised from the Dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

They, the Sheep were raised up together with Him to Justification of Life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

And so He was raised again because of their Justification, and to deny this is to deny the Gospel !

[2ndpillar2]

More on Rom 4:25

Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

When the Lord Jesus Christ was delivered up for the offences of all those given to Him in Election, and bore their sins in His Body on the Tree, He did meet all the Judicial demands of the law [ on their behalf ] and having satisfied, made propitiation to the Righteous Wrath of God, He was Raised from the Dead as the Great Shepherd of the Sheep Heb 13:20

20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

They, the Sheep were raised up together with Him to Justification of Life Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

And so He was raised again because of their Justification, and to deny this is to deny the Gospel !

The "gospel" of Yeshua was the "kingdom of heaven", and the "rock" it is based on is "justice" and "righteousness" (Isaiah 28:16-18) in comparison of "your pact with sheol/death", based on "falsehood" and "deception", proclaimed by the false prophet Paul and his associates. Paul is the "staff"/"shepherd" the "LORD" named "Favor" (Zechariah 11:10), and his bedfellow, the 2nd "staff"/"shepherd", would be the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:17, who Yeshua named Petros/Peter, because he actually wasn't the petras, the foundational stone. Both were to be taken by the LORD, by way of his right arm, Yeshua, to "pasture" the "flock (Gentile church) doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). The "slaughter" will be way of the "angels" "gathering" those "who commit lawlessness", following the gospel of grace, and throwing them into the "furnace of fire", that comes at the "end of the age" (Matthew 13:30 & 40-42). And by the way, "everyone shall die for their own iniquities" (Jeremiah 31:30).