Generating Messages

[William]

Hi.

I started this thread to share something which I find fascinating and would like some critique re the system I use to generate messages as I share these in this thread.

I would like to discuss the scientific value in terms of both subjectivity and objectivity to do with the way in which the messages are generated [to be explained] and perhaps how the reader interprets the message generated [assuming they see any message] and other related subjects branching from this.

I will also be using as evidence, the way in which words corelate with math, such as;

Generating Messages = 188
What Is Friendship
Story-Tellers

[William]

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251022 [Intelligence Without Wisdom] [314]


SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
The Brain - As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated. - A Sturdy Place - Dance - Leave a Trail - memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 - The Message Generator Process

AP= [=The Dolphins and Whales IF: there is a Cosmic Mind THEN: Eventually, any species which survives long enough to continue along with the unfolding universe will eventually discover that and invent ways in which to engage. = 2172]

[Two One Seven Two = 215]
[215]
I will leave that there
Without Judgement
Sad Room to Explore
Freedom in The Knowing
Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Tired of the Nonsense
What matters most
Batten down the hatches
Beyond Belief Recovery

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12:00 [Intimate On All Levels]

GM: Panpsychist [panpsychism is the view that the mind or a mindlike aspect is a fundamental and ubiquitous feature of reality. ]
Leave room for nature
It Is One Of Those Things
Active Imagination (see technique)
Interoperate
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IF
There is an actual Cosmic Mind
THEN eventually such scientist will discover it.

What matters most
Forgive
Those internal things which make one shine
Quantum Mechanics
It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?
Completely
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=296

Pixel: For a start, it tells me that words like 'object' and 'seed' are actively misleading when trying to describe it. It tells me that the phrase "caused the universe to come into existence" is also the wrong one to use. It tells me, in short, that the English language is inadequate to that task.

William: Pixel is explaining to me that whatever 'IT' was [because it obviously existed] can not be described as a physical thing. To do so it to 'lie' about it.
Assuming for the present that Pixel42 is only saying that Pixel42 is unable to use the English language to describe what 'IT' is, we can be grateful that Isaac can and does, in his The Final Question" story.

Furthermore, I can also do this.
"IT" was the absolute sum total of all data [knowledge] contained within the absolute consciousness of something so infinitesimally tiny that "IT" cannot be considered to be physical in nature.

That is "The Singularity" scientist are referring to.

Functional Implants
Collective Consciousness Inner work Put the Teachings Into Practice
Extra Sensory Perception
The Mystic Forest
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Q: I’m not sure I understand your question. What does the “logic of something which is alternative” mean?

A: It means that when there is an alternative given, that can be examined, logically.

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Exactly! It is not expected that in the affairs between YHWH and Satan, that humans need be consulted before they are used re said affairs. This theme and it's variants run through the Bible in relation to the God and Human beings.

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William: You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.

amortalmanWhat you described is not Biblical, and we're discussing the Bible here. You are throwing oranges in my basket of apples.

William: The many varied belief systems involved with Christianity/Christian interpretations of biblical script are a bit like navigating through a mystical forest...

GM: Sun energy
Telepathy [the communication of impressions of any kind from one mind to another, independently of the recognized channels of sense.]
"Off you go to your quarters"
Enchanted
Disagreeable
[Is Life a Game ? Alan Watts about the Happening of Existence] RTS [3:59]

Which level of magnification is the correct view? Obviously they are all correct...

The Overarching
Insignificant
The Way We Feel Unification
...and the way forward, eyes wide open
The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
Simple
Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]
The Elephant
Beyond Focus 4
Intelligent Consciousness

Beyond Focus 4: other systems
I have been asked several times if there is anything 'beyond' Focus 4. The answer is, to my knowledge, within our particular system there are just 4 Primary areas. But consciousness doesn't end there. Consciousness is infinite. There may well be an infinite number of other systems either like ours or perhaps wildly different. Nobody to my knowledge knows anything about these potential other systems.
Monroe talks of 'Focus 34/35', but as I have said earlier, I believe that Monroe was experiencing something else. I believe his F35 experiences were actually relating to areas of our Wider Physical, where alternate physical dimensions (within our F1 to F4 system) seem to converge. Ha ha, no wonder I couldn't find it!
The interesting aspect about these other physical worlds within our system and the weird thing about them, is that they all occupy the same physical space. The actual characteristics of the different physical dimensions within our system can be wildly different but they all have this one thing in common, in that they occupy the same space. Anyhow, what 'separates' them, if you like, are these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness that allows each physical universe to overlay on one another.
Now, I have it on good authority that it IS possible to 'travel' between Trans-Dimensional areas; when I say travel I mean actual physical travel. It is also possible to do this non-physically as well, so I am told. So my theory is that these UFO sightings might in fact be a kind of 'bleed through' from another Trans-Dimensional area: an area that has people living within it who have already learned how to design some kind of craft with the ability to travel between physical dimensions.
Anyway, back to the potential for other systems outside of our own F1 to F4 model:
From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes. He was way out, but not in Focus 4 terms. There was something else. Seriously, I reckon he was about to attempt to step into *another* system of consciousness from Focus 3: entering into an 'Extra-Dimensional' state that is outside of our F1 to F4 system completely: that is what I have been trying to study for ages, the possibility of these Extra-Dimensional areas. I reckon that is why his physical was put at risk. Okay, I’m guessing now, I admit, but I am going to completely retrace his footsteps in the future.
If he were trying to enter another dimension totally, i.e. another system, then that is just incredible. That is not Focus 3, 4 or 5, that is just completely into the unknown...and I mean total unknown. Unless he was attempting to enter Focus 4 while holding a complete objective knowing of that fact. That would just be crazy. You’d just be short-circuiting every subjective energy circuit that ever was. I doubt anyone could have the objective will to do that; just too many natural laws against you.
I just wonder what on earth he found and what secrets there are still to be unlocked from Monroe. I’m going to begin again from page one and work through it until that final piece of the jigsaw falls into place.
Frank Kepple Resource

All life
Dream journal
Re the hard-nosed skeptics
There is nothing wrong with 'disorder' other than one interpreting the universe as disorderly.
Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.
Your Own Individual Actions
Wide Walk Welcoming
Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'


William: Yet again, this reminds me of the visuals we get from the Mandelbrot Set.
[12:37]
[Tributary Zones]
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[William]

GM: Inner work
The ride is wild
Contact
Watchful
Equals
Vagitus
Not a Problem!
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Transformation
A Judgmental System
Mapping Wholeness
How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
Pulling its own weight
Prison Planet
The Ruru
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Read On
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William: While we who walk through life hereabouts all head towards our experience of bodily deaths, we are best not to run away from it screaming...might as well use our time here to prepare for that inevitable.

Christ IS the hope that death is not the end of conscious experience...and that said continued experience is a happier one than the previous monstrosity.

So we diligently pick the fruit we enjoy the most, which sorts folk into various categories in preparation for the inevitable...and the living support the living in their understanding that life might be all that there ever can be and is.

I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.

The Number One Nine Two
[search 192 spiritual]

GM: What is the meaning of life?
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Luminous
Fireside Friend
The Way of the Bodhisattva
Knowledge
Move On
A bit of a gooficity.
Pareidolia
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Q: So why are you so confident in declaring that time does not physically exist in the universe?

A: For the same reasons as numbers do not physically exist. They don't physically exist.

The Doom of Spacetime
The Spirit of The Earth - In an environment which is able to perceive this - It's a plausible scenario
Sexual Encounters
Peace
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Theist: I do truly think YHWH represents the first truly invisible God.

William: What gives you that understanding?

Theist:Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at.

William: Have you been told this ... or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?

Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a "mute, invisible god" who 'speaks' to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.

If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the "first truly invisible God"?

GM: The basic repertoire of mystic experience is drawn from the repertoire of Death Phenomena
Deactivate all "push buttons"
William: Yes - my experience with out of body allowed this to occur as a natural result

GM: Unconscious Mind Inertia
Put That Fire Out
Keep an Eye On
All The Theories Regarding "The Gods"

GM: The Generated Messages
[World's smartest person wrote this one mysterious book] [RTS=12:02] [Positive and negative]

System of Giving Energy
Unconditional Earth Entity In William's Room
♬Plastic tanks and battleships nothing more than toys What harm could propaganda do to the minds of little boys But Johnny he grew up too fast to live his life long dream The first time was his last to hear a dying soldier scream♬
Coming From QueenBee
The Body of God
Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
The "Oh My God" Particle
Consciousness
Potential of Milieu [a person's social environment.]
Like a doting parent
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Collective
A grateful heart Open your chakras
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
Childlike
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Therefore, creation of any thing [be it this or be it any other universe, be it forming or formless] must logically be from the substance of GOD rather than something GOD created from the substance of nothing, because - logically - there is no substance to nothing. "Nothing" doesn't exist.

Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
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William: Often, when it comes to what I call "The Question of GOD", the cry from non-believers is "show us the [scientific] evidence!" and other variants on that theme.

In examining Theism in general, I find that most beliefs have some kind of image attached to their various ideas of GOD/Gods.

Even so, these GOD/Gods all reside elsewhere, rather than are fixtures within the universe, so one simply cannot point to any and answer the demand.

GM: Imaginative Realities
Professional Rules
Clear your mind
Some
Inner critic
According to the teachings of ...?
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William: While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.

GM: All systems go


More to follow...

[William]

William: It seems to me that with the understanding of the phrase "Spacetime is Doomed" there is clear indication that nontheists/materialists no longer have an argument against the idea that we exist within a creation [therefore implying a creator] and in that, there is no point in engaging with such arguments.
For me, this means that the focus is on engaging with theists with the idea that we exist within a simulation - which is what the thread topic that the focus-post of these recent GMs - is about.
The difficulty therein, is attempting to convince those theists who are so sure that the physical universe is fundamental reality, and have beliefs which are dependent upon that being the case, to accept the evidence that Spacetime is Doomed...


GM: Evaluating
Inner Peace
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William: FTL:

[Replying to Diogenes in post #4]

Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

Diogenes: For this Biblical 'God' to think is to create.

Thus it could be argued that we are within and experiencing the thoughts of GOD and what we experience and call "reality" is actually GOD thinking thoughts.

Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

Unless we are actually GOD, in which case GOD can exist.

Biblically this idea of "The Breath of GOD" equates to GOD-Consciousness giving life to the imagined forms and thus experiencing those form from those forms particular subjective places in the overall thoughts of GOD.

This concept also bleeds over into the Eastern Culture of Humanity - many of which already stipulate GOD inseparable from Creation...although it could also be said that Creation is inseparable from GOD.

An all-powerful GODs thoughts could create this Universe...

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GM: Everything/All
One is not wrong
Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
Imaginative Realities
Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
The things you can see only when you slow down
Salinas crop circle
What Is The Point?

William: To advertise?

@ TS= [2:05]

It also has 192 GPUs

For such an impressive phone chip, NVIDIA wanted an out of this world marketing campaign. Their answer was the viral marketing campaign “Project 192” in the form of the aforementioned crop circle. The number 192, which is spelled out in Braille in the design, references the graphics cores within the new chip. {SOURCE}

The Number One Nine Two {SOURCE}

GM: Matter and psyche are one and the same.
The Effect You Have On Others
Numb
The Hologram of Deception – Yawn
Christian Folklore
Ship
Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now
Placing aside the childish not the childlike
This isn't about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
That can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from
The Abrahamic idea of GOD
Aeon [an indefinite and very long period of time.]
Training the mind
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Insight
Comment
Giving our best
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Chamber Of Self

Science of Consciousness
Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question
Union
Your Own Individual Actions
Links And Symbols
According
Ugly is just "in the eye of the beholder" as is Beauty.
The Divine Darkness
Mission
Occupation
Privacy
The Bidden Zone
Intelligent Consciousness
Atheism cannot be defined through defining "atheists"
[Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber][RTS=22:55]
Self-Immurement
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... stcount=22

The energy will eventually dissipate and space will return to its inert state - still existing, but no longer influenced by energy, and thus timeless - because that it the state of its inertness. no movement = no time

William: I think that this is connected with the idea expressed in otseng's recent post;

Even if the universe were to somehow collapse and start another Big Bang, entropy would still have to increase. So, eventually, the cycle of Big Bangs would have to stop and end up in a final heat death.

On a smaller scale, we see this in the impossibility of creating a perpetual motion machine. The reason it's impossible to create any closed system to do work forever is because of the second law of thermodynamics.{SOURCE}

William: My reply to that;

Many Christians believe the bible tells it, that they will be resurrected to enjoy life in this universe forever...

How do you reconcile the eventual heat death of the universe, with such beliefs?

GM: Sophia The Mother Story
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
How stories are created...
Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network
Dive deep
From First Principles
Controlled by fear
Active Imagination (see technique)
In The Back of My Mind
Mixture
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Q: Then what is the point of our physical existence?

A:

What does the physical existence provide for us?
Experience.
Creating personality through the experience.

Links And Symbols
Wakey Wakey
16-20-12-09-03-11-08

William: 16. Wakey Wakey
20. Healing
12. Under The Watchful Eye of Human Science
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William: A clock is a physical mechanism which is designed to physically represent time as conceptualized by human consciousness/understanding.
A physical representation of a conceptual idea, is in no way an example of time as a fundamental reality.

It is like someone claiming that the written word "Unicorn" is the same thing as an actual physical Unicorn, when in truth, it is simply a symbolic representation of something which is not able to be shown to exist as anything other than a concept of the mind.

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William: As you may or may not know, the Jewish perception of the Hebrew culture and accompanying beliefs about YHWH [as GOD] was that they did not have the notion that GOD had enemies.
Their notion was that YHWH used what humans think of as "Good/Evil" as YHWH saw fit to do, and the only enemy/adversary/accuser anyone had to concern their selves about, was YHWH.

11. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=184

William: I do not reject any idea. Questioning any idea is not the same thing as rejecting any idea.

8. Counterfactual [contrasted with indicatives, which are generally restricted to discussing open possibilities.]

GM: Acid test
Milky Way Mother
This Translates To That.
Perpetually

William: [420]
The Dark Night of The Soul Adjusted Reality
An expression of personal incredulity
This Perpetually Translates To That.
Rolling down the rails of the ridiculous


GM: Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time.
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Tanager: I realize one could say: “but we’ve gotten Jesus all wrong,” but the evidence just isn’t on their side, a NDE that could have other scientific explanations for it against historical scholarship.

William: Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.

Acceptance
Verdant
Inflicting science upon a specie which is not ready for it
The Realist:
"Guilty"
The Law of Attraction
James Webb Space Telescope
Shamanic dreaming
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William: Q: Why would YHWH create a being of nature and not instill that being with knowledge of good and evil, if indeed we agree that without morals, the human specie could not even get a foothold on the back of nature?

GM: To Be Sovereignty
Joyful
Confirmation bias
Commitment

William: Confirmation bias Commitment = 293
The harmless enough agenda crowd = 293

GM: Think About It
I Think We Can Safely Say Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
The Home Of The...
"Perhaps the difficulty involved with defining Atheism so that all Atheists agree with the same definition, is that atheism is an unnatural response to nature."
Falling asleep
Prison Planet
Coordinate
The Played Piece


William: [397]
Prison Planet Coordinate The Played Piece
The Natural-Neutral Default Position
Sober journey into self-realization
The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon

More to follow...

[William]

GM: Without and Within
Entities of Particular Belief Systems
Out and about in the open
Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
Show Me Your Soul
All fingers and thumbs
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William: Question: Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?

GM: Cycle
Remind
Who Knows
Big
Spirituality
Conviction

William: Big Spirituality Conviction = 321
It requires corrective action = 321

GM: "Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?"

William: Since nothing cannot be shown to exist, then zero has to represent something.

GM: The Hierarchy
Command
Suffering

William: The Hierarchy Command Suffering = 296
Now isn't the time for tears = 296

GM: Genius
Delineating The Fine Art of Not Being Offended Inordinately
Visible
Re-channel
Mind Body Soul
Culture
Accept
OWOBIK

William: Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known = 402
Instructions on what to do with data = 402

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First Things First
[Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!]

If one continues to view GOD through the dressings of a book, then the focus/worship is on the costume and not what resides underneath the costume...one will never get to first base going in that direction...

GM:Like With
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Tanager: As to your example, I think a supposed NDE meeting with Jesus that contradicts known historical teachings from Jesus would give one reason to believe that they didn’t actually meet with Jesus.

William: This assumes Jesus remains static in the framework of the history the Bible presents him as - the biblical Jesus - fixed.
Over two thousand years have passed since then. Are we to assume that Jesus would not move with the times - and indeed [re The Control Room] not have influenced said times?

GM: Witty
Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
Simulated for the purpose of?

William: Given the nature of the experience - one such purpose would be to conduct experiment into the nature of independent mind - minds independent of other minds...or at least a semblance of that re experience...to see what might be achieved by such minds within the nature of the reality simulation...as I wrote today in answer to another post;

DaveD then it not us that create the illusion because we are all, expect for a few, experiencing the same reality.

William: We cannot state for sure that we didn't help create the simulation we then entered into for the experience.
As some other entity [rather than human] we could have had our part to play in creating this simulation, and purposefully made it so that the human avatar we would experience the universe through, would sufficiently block our memory of a prior existence, so that the experience of this universe could be had without knowledge of said former existence.

DaveD IF it is an illusion we are living in one created by an independent mind.

William: Or minds, independent of the direct influence of this reality experience we are currently having.
If the minds which created this simulation, were not independent [such as hive mindedness] then, no matter the number of individual minds, none would be independent and so all could be considered the one overall mind...and this could be part of the motivation for why that mind created this universe/human instruments, so as to experience what it is like to have an experience of an independent individual mind...

DaveD There doesn't seem anyway for us to actually prove it.

William: If this is the case, why believe it?

GM: Translucent
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
In Denial What Is Our Purpose? My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Encounters
Challenge
The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
Not Right
Your Own Individual Actions
Seeds are evidence that something large can derive from something tiny.
Objectives
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=920

William: It is not so much 'counting' on coherent messages being generated [GMs] - because it happens every time it is done.
The universe does have an underlying order - this system simply taps into that reality and that is why it produces GMs.

GM: The Banner of Apotheosis
Dance
"Any generated messages which demands such, should be removed from the table of discussion, will have to do much better than declare that "The answer is not 'God'.""
[A Degenerative Force to Existence]
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.

William: It would appear that this was part of the design of the Game-ware...

GM: The art of relationship
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Q: Is the universe deterministic or not?

William: If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the mass.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the mass.

Q: Does free will exist or not?

William: If the energy which causes mass is mindful, then the universe is created mindfully, thus is determined by said mind to be as it is, re the will.
If the energy which causes mass is mindless, then the universe is accidental, thus is non-determined, re the will.

The will can only work within the boundaries of the freedom attainable re those boundaries.

Either way, I cannot see that the existence of free will is a reality in this universe, given the variables available to us with will.
Therefore I have to currently conclude that the idea of free will is conceptional rather than real.

GM: Meditate/Think
Desynchronized
Conspiracy Emotions.

William: Desynchronized Conspiracy Emotions. = 402
Accept One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known = 402


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William: FTL

Re: Is The Universe Fine Tuned for Human Life?

[Replying to Diogenes in post #230]

I am procuring information which helps me scientifically delve into the world of consciousness.
Re: Generating Messages
Example

This amounts to evidence which can be studied, and for that matter, what I am publishing here are on other forums is of interest to readers.

Your personal lack of interest is of no interest to me any more than your 'tiredness' in 'trying to explain' is, as I get my explanations from better sources...

GM: Science Projects
End Of Act I

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GM: Fiction
Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from?
According to the teachings of ...?
Elude Tabula Rasa
Functional Clusters
The Thalamocortical System
Stay The Course
Red Pill
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The instigative/compelling influence of the soul over the personality appears to be the Holy Ghost...perhaps the soul of YHVH, more directly?...perhaps reminding the soul attached to the personality, that it is integral to the personalities development within the framework of the personalities experience, for purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism.

GM: Pineal Gland
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William:FTL;

QueenBee
Chamber Of Self - Coming From QueenBee - Open Your Heart
Giving our best - QueenBee - Get The Ball Rolling
Central Purpose - QueenBee - Achievable Alternate Realities
The Fathers 'House - Mansions' - QueenBee - According to Complex Jesus
Items of Interest - QueenBee - Making it up as you go along
Like a doting parent - Coming From QueenBee - Development/Growth

GM: True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given
The Immune System
Aeon [an indefinite and very long period of time.]
Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
Water
[YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story! Episode 3][RTS=23:15]

YHVH identifies himself as one of the Elohim

https://wingmakers.com/

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GM: It is a good sign when a non-theist cannot argue against the evidence you present
The Face of God
Musing On The Mother Act I

William: FTL
Feeling the tiredness in my feet, as I put one foot in front of another, and thinking to myself

"I'm going to sleep well tonight."

Seeing a fire at a distance

"Awesome! I wonder if they would let me borrow a flame to get a fire started."

Taking a few steps closer to the distant fire, I hear Mom's voice in my head

"You know how people are nowadays, they may shoot you."

Slightly shaking my head with a smile

"I've got to talk to Mom about how much news she watches. Although...you never know.

Calling out from a distance to the one by the fire

"Excuse me, I don't mean to trouble you..."
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As I am contemplating my thoughts in the opportunity of my aloneness, I hear the subtle hoot of warning from an owl - and before long hear the cracking of small branches underfoot, signifying someone approaching...I focus on the direction of the sound, and then a voice from the darkness calls;

"Excuse me, I don't mean to trouble you..."

I wait until the owner of the voice walks into the light of the fire...

"No trouble at all...please come and share the warmth of this fire with me. My name is Manu. Manu Iti."

I stand and offer and extended hand of friendship...The person before me looks weary and a little flustered...{SOURCE}

GM: Awake
Beyond Belief
The Love is within the Communion
See-Through
The Attitude
Healing
I AM WE ARE
{SOURCE}
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William: FTL

Re The Theist and non-Theist Brain
Is it the case that
1. non-theists are simply unable to 'get their head around ideas' which are outside of the idea that we are simply emergent properties of brains, [every other idea is gibberish/gobbledygook]

or

2. are they just being disingenuous?

GM: "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.

More to follow...

[William]

GM: I Am
Discovery is finding things that exist.
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision
Listen

The discovering of what makes the Realm of Humanity "tick"
Dream journal
Trustworthy
Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
WingMakers
Out and about in the open
Access
Gateway Luminous
Pervasive
Be grateful to everyone
Jocular
I hear thee hear thee...
The Bidden Zone
No Country For Old Men
Wanting to change the rules making more complicated rather than keeping things simple.
Added Significance
“The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
Memories Unbound
Points of Reference
The Original People
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William:

Re: Machines and morality

Statement: Everything begins with will and from that we then use creativity to go from will to execution.

William: To my mind, everything does not start with will at all, but with the mechanism which enables will to become - in the case of our recognised will - from Human consciousness.

Everything to do with human will, begins with human consciousness.

Therefore, will is a function of that which everything [to do with human function] begins with first having consciousness...will derives from consciousness and cannot be considered to be the source of everything to do with human expression.

Will, is an expression of consciousness. It was not will which created consciousness but consciousness which created will.

GM: Radiant
Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas
Water The Garden
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William:

Re: In The Beginning...
[Replying to The Tanager in post #125]

I’m not sure I understand your question. What does the “logic of something which is alternative” mean?

It means that when there is an alternative given, that can be examined, logically.

As to your example, I think a supposed NDE meeting with Jesus that contradicts known historical teachings from Jesus would give one reason to believe that they didn’t actually meet with Jesus.

This assumes Jesus remains static in the framework of the history the Bible presents him as - the biblical Jesus - fixed.
Over two thousand years have passed since then. Are we to assume that Jesus would not move with the times - and indeed [re The Control Room] not have influenced said times?

I realize one could say: “but we’ve gotten Jesus all wrong,” but the evidence just isn’t on their side, a NDE that could have other scientific explanations for it against historical scholarship.

Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.

Where do the scriptures say it’s currently all wickedness or give something like a percentage?

In the days of Noah. There is a comparison drawn. [Matthew 24:37-39] couple with [Genesis 6:5]
What reason would Jesus have to return if things are balanced. Why do Christians believe in the second coming if not that they believe the world is more wicked than goodly?

Paul’s writings usually have two halves to them, where he gives the gospel and then tells Christians how this should impact how we live, and that the way we do this is through God working in us (Phil 2:12-13).

I say that the metaphor for YHVH breath of life is the same.[Genesis 2:7]
Some Christians believe that the soul is what that breath is. The soul integrates with the Human experience and personality is formed through that integrated experience.

The instigative/compelling influence of the soul over the personality appears to be the Holy Ghost...perhaps the soul of YHVH, more directly?...perhaps reminding the soul attached to the personality, that it is integral to the personalities development within the framework of the personalities experience, for purposes which extend beyond the borders of materialism.

Do you believe it was the same body Jesus had prior to his death?

Yes, but enhanced.

Please explain why something which is 'enhanced' is 'the same'.

No, I don’t think they believed Heaven was an actual alternate realm located elsewhere to begin with. I’m saying they metaphorically associated the heavens with talk of spiritual things and that a bit of ascension could have jogged that thought for some people, while not running the risk of being misunderstood.

This implies that Christianity has it wrong re the belief that when one dies, one goes to Heaven - or alternatively - Hell.

What evidence can you provide that the ancients Jesus was in contact with at that time, believed differently?
What is to say that if, what they did believe in was not true, that Jesus - knowing differently - wanted them to understand that their beliefs were in error?
Given the account of the telling from Jesus re YHVH reality [Kingdom] plus the ascension, how can your thinking otherwise, be counted as acceptable?

I do not agree. I’m as close to 100% positive as one can get that N.T. Wright, if you were able to ask him, would definitely not say that he meant that. I think that would be quite clear from anyone who has read or listened to Wright much at all.

That is not my point. I am simply taking what you quoted and showing that N.T. Wright is describing something which can be taken in the context of ST.
Jesus went somewhere and we should be able to agree that where he did go had something to do with YVHV Kingdom, and unless that Kingdom is somewhere hidden in the Universe nearby - [perhaps in the hollow of earths moon?] - based upon what Jesus did say about the YHVH Kingdom, what reason do we have NOT to think he was speaking of a different realm?


Point being, whether it is N.T. Wright or C.S. Lewis, ST can explain the metaphors and if Jesus' ascension is not counted as a metaphor but a real event, then we are left to wonder where he went - once the clouds concealed his form from the eye witnesses.

I think all stories should be approached skeptically, until we see good reasons to believe they aren’t lies, hallucinations, honest mistakes, etc.

That is a non-theistic approach re biblical stories and not appropriate to faith. I have seen Christians use this as a means to argue against things which are not aligned with their particular beliefs - one personal example - my being told that experiences I have shared over the years on this message board "could be delusional."
I expect non-theists to argue in that manner, but reject the validity of such argument from theists calling themselves "Christians" and promoting faith-based beliefs which themselves, do not facilitate skepticism...

Having a foot in both camps doesn't bode well with honestly confessing one is a theist/Christian, as far as I can see.

I don’t think the differences between a Biblical worldview/story and alternative worldviews/stories are cosmetic. There are definitely similarities at point, but they have real and often deep differences on key issues.

Re our particular conversation here, what "key issues" are you speaking to?

Descartes’ demon, the Matrix, various other examples are distinct philosophical views.

ST in it's narrow view might facilitate your reasoning for not agreeing, however, in the broader sense "existing within a creation/existing within a simulation" bundles all apparent differences under the one idea.
The distinct philosophical views might be for particular purposes?
I am viewing the whole concept [we exist within a created thing] as the overall 'philosophy' rather than focusing upon any particular flavor.
Re C.S. Lewis, the wardrobe into another realm represents a gateway between one reality experience and an alternative one.
Whatever philosophy Lewis was using in relation to his renditioned storyline, only differentiates what kind of simulation one experiences. It does not seek to promote that his portrayal of it is the only one, or the overall one...each speak of the same thing, in different ways, much like the same can be said of the differences between the Star Wars Universe and the Star Trek Universe...different universes same, simulation principle.
[In that, "Universe" is another way of saying "Simulation".]

All such stories are of course modeled off of this one, from where they are authored, but there is no way of telling if the inspiration comes from the influence of actual simulated realms, or are purely figments of the authors own imaginations.
This is what I was attempting to convey to you when we were both interacting in the "Around The Campfire" Universe... as said universe was described as the hub of all Simulated Universes...

I do consider myself a Christian. My point is that I’m not going to adhere to a belief simply because Martin Luther stated it, or my pastor says it, etc.

Why do you support whatever belief you adhere to? And what about ST has you concerned, re those beliefs?

I didn’t mean that it had less explanatory power. I meant simplicity in the Occam’s razor sense. ST theory says there is one level of reality that we experience and then another level of reality behind that. That’s two levels of reality to explain. I think traditional Christianity asserts one of these levels of reality. One is a simpler framework than two. That’s all I meant there.

The math agrees with ST. ST agrees with the mathematics of quantum physics.
The evidence is more than just a theory - it is a mathematical theorem. A theorem is a statement which has been proved true by a special kind of logical argument called a rigorous proof.

The statement which has been proved true, is that "Spacetime is Doomed." This is to say, that spacetime is NOT the base reality which materialists have insisted that it is.
This bodes with theism, and Christianity being theistic means that this should also bode with Christians.
Yet you - as a Christian - are arguing for the materialist interpretation of this universe experience.

Given "Spacetime is Doomed" is relatively new to human insight and thus not popular in terms of humans knowing about that, one can accept that arguments such as yours are coming from a place of ignorance, but the information is there for anyone with internet access to find, so the idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.

I think heaven and earth are part of the one base reality. I don’t think heaven is a construct of the physical universe. It has nothing to do with the IF…THEN you mentioned above. I don’t think that would follow.

I see no good reason to see that our universe is not part of the base reality.

There is very good reason, as I just mentioned.
ST gives us the better explanation [re The Razor] and aligned with the latest information.

The mathematics prove that your Christian understanding of reality is as faulty as the materialists understanding of reality.
Theism up to this point has had no choice but to accept materialism as base-reality and attempt to superimpose the idea of Creation/Creator into that mix.
Theism does not have to proceed in that manner now that the math supports our universe is not base reality.

I don’t think that is a given, as I shared above. I don’t think Paradise was thought of as being another location in that society. They didn’t think people went to another realm.

I can accept that folk may well have thought about reality in materialistic terms, but Jesus didn't speak of reality in the same way. According to his own words, we should be able to accept that he knew that the material universe was not base reality - his oft enough commentary on the realm of YHVH, confirms this to be the case.

We absolutely can say that they do not teach simulation theory. There is no mention of ST theory being explanatory of reality. If ST theory is true, then the Biblical accounts are oblivious to that fact.

Or we absolutely can say that they do teach that we exist in a reality which is not base-reality and that the accounts by those telling the stories, would have been oblivious to that but we - today - should be able to see such stories in a different light, since we have access to knowledge that they did not.

Agreed?

GM: Brother
Concision
The Right Tool For The Job
Incorporate
The Life Essence
Coordinate Forgiveness
Original
Epiphany [a moment of sudden and great revelation or realization.]
The Dolphins And Whales
Getting unstuck
According
[Woman Crosses Over and Gets Told Our Role on Earth (Near Death Experience)] [RTS=9:00]

William: Forgiveness - "Incorporate The Life Essence, Coordinate Forgiveness"
Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas = 512

GM: A very useful fiction
Two seemingly contradictory things working as one overall organized thing.
Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
The Shadow
Develop a basic, fact-based view first and then ask the question.
Radiate Honesty
"Can a transistor with its simple function relating input to output be conscious? how about two? or hundred?"
To Warm Them up to The Truth
Conducive to wellbeing
♬With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost♬
Bandages of The Beast
Training the mind
It Requires Corrective Action
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Selfless Attitude
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood” Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.
Placebo Effect
Imagining potatoes screaming as you peel them...

William: Wouldn't that be The nocebo effect? :/

GM: What we resist, persists
Start From Scratch
Be here now
Investigative Realisation
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[re shuffled]
Planned obsolescence
Delightful Anticipation
Sovereignty
The Mother and The Father
Inner Strength
The problem of evil
Start where you are
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Nurture
The sound of a Ghost
Enlightenment
Core emotion
The Body of God
Elemental Powers
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
Way Back When...
Stone Age
Once Upon a Time
Memorandum of Understanding
Chamber Of Self
Open your chakras
Fling That Veil Aside
Invisible Bridge
Cyborg Anthropology
Multiverse
This
Children of The Light
That is the truth.
Final Destination
Being Born
Aye...A name I call myself.
Manifest Destiny
Transformation
Source Reality
Sister Saturn
Preamble
A belly full of laughs.
All Because I Had To Ask

Behind The Veil You Are All Loveable...

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[William]

William: The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.

DATE [011122] [The Fathers 'House - Mansions'][282]

So are you thinking that the display was not to have people believe that he went to another/alternative Realm, but rather, to feed into/utilize popular belief in Heaven being an actual realm where YHVH and the Host reside, even that this was not the actual case?

Why do you think Jesus used such device. Surely he would have known the impact that this would have on those who witnessed the act, and those who subsequently learned of the event?

Why would he not just simply disappear from their midst if indeed Heaven isn't an actual realm, as you believe? Why the theatrics?

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
[Preamble]
The Plateau of The Same Page - Clumsy - Tied To The Moon Mindfulness - - The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones. - - How Can We Know - The House of Politics - The Neverland Metaphor - William's Commitment With - viewtopic.php?p=1093860#p1093860 - viewtopic.php?p=1094052#p1094052 -
AP= [=Tickety Boo Productive]

[Tickety Boo Productive = 258]
[258]
The design of the universe
Tickety Boo Productive
The one God with many names
Events connected by meaning
Intelligence with Wisdom

RSP = SCLx12 "The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones." + P&P 12x either side

TIME [08:50][Communication is key]


GM: Earth
Divine feminine
The "Problem of evil" is like the "Problem of unicorns"
Nonviolent communication
Histrionic [excessively theatrical or dramatic in character or style. melodramatic behaviour designed to attract attention. an actor.]
“Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood”
Translucency [permitting light to pass through but diffusing it so that persons, objects, etc., on the opposite side are not clearly visible]
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As a rule I think that subterfuge and cover - up is a bad idea. It's why I firmly rejected Dennet's "Brights" and will have nothing to do with it.

[Most Brights believe that public policies should be based on science (a body of knowledge obtained and tested by use of the scientific method). Brights are likely to oppose the practice of basing public policies on supernatural doctrines. Brights may therefore be described as secularists.]

GM: EarthControlled Distraction Light
Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning
Enlightenment
Time To Go
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Group/Family
Learned helplessness
Bridge
Soul Groups
Either Authored or Orphaned
https://www.dreamviews.com/science-math ... ost2245935

The overall purpose of human existence is to kindle a light of being into the darkness of ignorance

Be Led
Algorithms are not perfect Connections
Guarantee
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
Walking the walk
[Is the EARTH CONSCIOUS and ALIVE?] [RTS=13:09]
[Planting seed and the correct amount of variables necessary to the success of it growing]
[09:07]
[09:43]
GM: Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
Enjoy Progress
Incongruous [not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]
A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
Leg Hold Traps
Afraid of The Unknown.
Spiritual bypassing
[The First Aliens | A Brief History of Aliens in Science Fiction] [RTS=14:27]

Service of the state above all else - including families - a society valuing strength above most things and resenting the weak - a society operating on a strict hierarchy.
Inserting certain characteristics and viewpoint into alien species is often a way in which writers are able to make criticisms about certain ideologies and belief systems...

GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-16045

Lou: As i almost fell and started to destroy your work, i realised life is. So I'm expanding my horizon here and decided to share in my community.

GM: A measured step
The essence of the world can express both consciousness and unconsciousness.
Childlike
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
William
Meat For The Table
Walk The Talk In Love
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William: FTL;

How perfect is the Universe that it can allow life to thrive within it on just the one planet that we know about?

Accidents will happen.

Even with the best of intentions and planning.

For me, the scope of the universe and the utter hostility of most of it for life as we know it precludes any purposeful creation of living things.

For me, the scope of the universe and the utter hostility of most of it for life as we know it, plus the curious impulse of humans to want to create life in their own image [transhumanism/AI stuff like that] presents a challenging purposeful intent to make something spectacularly useless into something functional/purposeful.

More so if this is the only planet in that vast expanse where life as we know it has managed to thrive.

I don't think that it is, but I am surprised that it doesn't give creationists pause for thought.

It is plausible enough that we are experiencing this spectacularly useless universe as a simulation - as a long-running - many levelled game in which we - playing within it - attempt to make something useful out of something useless as we play our part.
There may be other 'life as we know it' playing the game as well, and only those players who get to bring their world consciousness to that point, win the right to play on and perhaps eventually discover those other worlds.

GM: Liminalist [In anthropology, liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a threshold") is the quality of ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of a rite of passage, when participants no longer hold their pre-ritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the rite is complete]
Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.]
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Keep it simple.

Sharing data,
For the benefit of all beings
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William: I think there is reason [given and not given] to believe there is a case for "superior understanding".

Whether the reason is reasonable, is really the question to ask - but how to garner an answer?
I do so - through the use of this message generating system. I am quiet convinced that the system offers a superior understanding through superior messages being generated.
One cannot make this stuff up.

Teaching Music


William: Yes - I think that the new approach between Tanager and myself with inclusion of an ongoing list showing where we have come to an agreement, helps the communication process better than the old approach that I hade been using which used too much information at one time and thus, overwhelmed and confused more than it did, enlighten...

We have both agreed that:
1: We exist within a creation.
2: Simulation Theory is a valid way to interpret the Biblical stories.
3: YVHV placed humans into this universe to grow personalities.
4: The purpose of YVHV growing human personalities is so that these would potentially gain experience of the truth of the reason for their environment and their temporary experience within it.
5: It is an advantage to all grown personalities to be consciously and consistently connected with YVHV and thus understand and support YVHVs initiatives.
6: Human personalities - upon the death of their body-sets - move on to other experiences.
7: Anything which changes is not the same thing as it once was.
8: YHVH is not a simulation.

GM: What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others
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William: I am "Other" so asking me to describe my "religious beliefs" to you, won't garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.

Talk to The Razor
Stagnant
Doubt
Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
Internal Triggering

William: In our ongoing discussion, Tanager recently wrote;

Tanager: 1) How do we determine truth?

You questioned my skepticism as being non-theistic. I completely disagree. To me faith is putting one’s trust in what one has good reason to do so. That is the Biblical idea of faith. We are called to test everything (1 Thessalonians 5:21, 2 Timothy 4, 1 John 4).

Now, you don’t seem to advocate for completely blind faith, but you do offer personal experience as a reason to believe X is true. I agree, unless there is a defeater of that belief that comes out in testing the ideas out.

One example I gave was that supposed personal experiences of Jesus that contradict His historical teachings, should not be accepted as true. I think Jesus, as part of the triune God, would remain consistent in His teachings. God has no reason to change His character or understanding for God is all-knowing and all-loving.

I think this is different from whether Jesus influences people throughout the two thousand years since, however. I think He influences us from a constant, unchanging self. What changes is our understanding of things, not what He teaches.

William: And my reply to that;

I covered that when I wrote:

Historical scholarship is simply that. If we are to believe that Jesus has been active behind the scenes - in N.T. Wright's "Control Room" analogy, then we best not assume that the influence of that room is forever stuck in and dependent upon - that one frame of ancient history.

To expand on this understanding, What Jesus taught in no way contradicts the idea that we exist within a simulated reality.
As with YHVH, being the same/unchanging hasn't anything to do with how the authors of biblical script 'saw' YHVH and thus expressed their seeing in story form. Those stories are not "what YHVH teaches" but are expressions of inspiration by the authors who believed they were being taught by YHVH and their attempts to dress that in a language which could be understood by folk of their particular epoch.

That is why I wrote;

What is to say that if, what they did believe in was not true, that Jesus - knowing differently - wanted them to understand that their beliefs were in error?

You reply;

What changes is our understanding of things, not what He teaches.

I have been saying the same thing. So we should eventually be able to add that to our list of things we agree with.

As a result, we have added to the list of agreement;

6: Human personalities - upon the death of their body-sets - move on to other experiences.

although in thinking more on this now, we might also have to add something along the lines of;
"It is humans growing toward the knowledge of the unchangeable, who are required to change as truth is being established"

Re "The list of agreement" = 202
[202]
Embrace the discomfort
The list of agreement
Prevailing Influence
Speculation at best
Been through the mill
Start From Scratch
This is really COOL!
The Vector Symbol
The practice of lojong
I Spy With My Eye
Welcome peer review.

GM: Word - String Values
Central Intelligence Agency
Superior Credibility
Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
Galactic Encompassment
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
The beauty of imperfection
Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
The Knowledge Of
The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.

William: The Knowledge Of The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence. = 1479
God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;” = 1479


GM: The practice of Lojong [a contemplative practice in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition which makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... /post-6823

Lou: No clue at how others use it, but for me the first step was looking in my memory where i could find a place to hook this topic on. For me that was the old david icke forum, as they had a blossoming topic like this. Way bigger then we have here. Then i put my intent on and our friend will.i.am starts using his randomizer and the texts starts flowing and making sense in the form of subconscious hints that make me smile. Since i needed a little smile in my life, im really glad william didnt listen to me growling at something new and just fed me..

GM: The Vector Symbol [a straight line between two specified points.]
Statements of opinion
Perspective
What Shall We Call It?
Memorandum of Understanding
Intransigence [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]

William: Yet - as Lou describes, by my not entering into any dramatics and simply allowing the GMs to speak for themselves, Lou changed opinion...

To be continued...

[10:24]
[It is all information]

[William]

05:44 [Deliberate and important]


GM: "Shut up you blithering fools! Can't you see you're dealing with a madman?"
Clown Boat
Invent
Infinite Quantum Zen

With regard to overload of information, it is worth highlighting the following truth: there are huge amounts of information out there in the world, but very little substance, quality, or significance. And so you see, it appears that we have become desensitized to information, and so it seems that we have lost our inherent curiosity along the way. As a result, we generalize more and specify less, and so it goes that our ability to learn is greatly impacted by the amount of knowledge we can acquire; both our ability to learn and ability to recall what we have learned is significantly reduced, you see?{SOURCE}

GM:

William: As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.

GM:

William: Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought

GM: Humility
Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment {SOURCE}
The Whole
Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?
Queen Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Windsor
Move
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
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William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

[Replying to Inquirer in post #71]

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.

I never said or meant to imply you were being misleading, misled perhaps but not misleading. I said the term "ghost" is misleading because it is a conflation. (Granted, I did accuse you of being delusional, and I was rightly pulled up for that by the moderator).

Even a cursory bit of research will quickly show that God and ghost are different, I'm not going to waste my time copying and pasting all of these definitions, you can see for yourself that they are not the same, they mean different things.

GM: You Are
Chakra
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... tcount=198

William: I use the same data as the scientists produce. As I have explained already, there is no apparent reason as to why the object which exploded, has to be regarded as the only thing that existed, since that constitutes magical thinking [MT].

The obvious alternative to MT is that what is being observed as having a beginning and predicted to eventually end, must therefore be manifesting on a backdrop/stage/fabric/matrix of an eternal nature - physical in essence - yet also inert in its undisturbed state.

GM: “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
♬ Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me♬
The nature of understanding
Solace [comfort or consolation in a time of distress or sadness.]
Truthful definitions
Imperishable [enduring forever.]
Ouija
“What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”
Self-confidence Core
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Betterment
Nature of Angels
The Crabwood Cropcircle
Get The Ball Rolling
Discarnate [not having a physical body.]
The Bidden Zone
The Data of Demystification
Tributary Zones
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Not by flinging woo at it.
Runny nose jelly legs
Pulse
Illuminating
viewtopic.php?p=1088494#p1088494

GM: "Pareidolia
Hidden In Plain Sight
Little Bird
Fling That Veil Aside"

GM: Self-Aware
For Your Greater Enjoyment
Yes, I Hear You
*Ghost*
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William: FTL; re My own experience and what I learned from it.

I have mentioned in passing way back when, that I followed through on this particular aspect of scripture when going through my Christian phase.

I sold all my possessions.
I left my wife and child behind.
I carried no money (although occasionally I was given money or found it and it had its uses.)
I carried no extra clothing except an extra pair of socks, and an old coat for when it rained (which it frequently does in my country.)
I also carried a pen, some colored pencils a few envelops and stamps so I could write of my progress and send to my wife.
Also a toothbrush.

I spent weeks 'on the road' in some kind of pilgrimage testing my faith and I would say that - had I not done so I would have abandoned Christianity and GOD as well.

As it turned out, I have since abandoned Christianity but certainly not GOD or for that matter Yeshua.

The stories that I have regarding that experience - that phase of my life - are many and very interesting. Of course they are subjective so are not subject to scientific review although there is nothing to stop scientists from doing the same and seeing what results are to be found, other than their focus is elsewhere and most would likely consider such a thing a kind of madness anyway.

Indeed, what I am sharing is just hearsay anyway. Only those who were close to me at the time could verify that I did do what I say I did, and even then they cannot know the details - how I survived the experience and what things I experienced during that time-period of my life - because yes - once I understood how it worked, I eventually went back into the 'system' but that didn't mean I didn't do the same things, again, and again, and again over a period of a few years.

In a nut shell this is where I learned first hand how serendipity worked, and how GOD can indeed provide, so in that I can testify that Yeshua was correct and something else I learned was that GOD provided through circumstance but ALWAYS this involved humans beings helping me along the way.

Those human beings of course, were all connected to the system, and in that I was very aware that although I was temporarily 'off the grid' I was still indirectly relying upon it. There was no 'mana from the sky' and nor was I given the ability to rub my hands together and produce bread.

Indeed, I can testify that for the most part, it was almost always non-Christians who helped me and on the odd occasion where I did 'seek out the believers' to ask for their help, they had a very hard time giving me that help and felt as if I was intruding and encroaching and putting pressure on them simply by doing what I was doing and being in a situation where I had to ask.

Generally though, I often didn't have to ask as - like I said - serendipity arranged it that way. People would offer.

Anyway, I can at least say that it works. It isn't easy and it certainly tests you to the limits but the reward as it were is indelible. Anyone willing to go through such a thing will never have reason to doubt again, and can only move forward 'in the spirit' as it were, no regrets.

GM: Who Knows What That Is Worth?
Harmless
Perpetually
Like a Job Well Done
Fecund [producing or capable of producing an abundance of offspring of new ideas or new growth; highly fertile]
Immortal
I'm okay with that
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William: FTL; Re: If you were Satan....

All this speculation about Satan thwarting Father YHWH assumes that Satan is more intelligent than Father YHWH.
Those whom assume such are basically showing the allegiance of their will to worship Satan's intelligence.
Perhaps that is the Mark of The Beast.
[Loyalty or commitment to a superior or to a group or cause.]

[An attitude of the individuals mind which is altogether shared by millions of like-minded $itizens.]

To think that Satan can outsmart the Elder - The Father YHWH - is a fallacy in relation to biblical narrative.
That is to say,
IF one has to go outside of biblical narrative whilst arguing against biblical narrative
THEN one is ignoring biblical narrative on the one hand whilst on the other holding ones interpretation of it up as the interpretation to assume.

Such muddies the waters for all except those who have already noticed what is beneath the surface...

GM: Putting yourself back together again
Moon
Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
The Sub Hierarchy
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
Radiant
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
A grateful heart Open your chakras
Major Arcana

William: RS - Major Tarot doc = "Wheel of Fortune"

Wheel Of Fortune

WHEEL OF FORTUNE DESCRIPTION
The Wheel of Fortune card shows a giant wheel, with three figures on the outer edges. Four Hebrew letters – YHVH (Yod Heh Vau Heh), the unpronounceable name of God – are inscribed on the wheel’s face. There are also the letters TORA, thought to be a version of the word Torah, meaning ‘law’, or TAROT, or even ROTA (Latin for ‘wheel’). The middle wheel has the alchemical symbols for mercury, sulphur, water and salt – the building blocks of life and the four elements – and represents formative power.

On the outer circle is a snake, the Egyptian god Typhon (the god of evil), descending on the left side. The snake also represents the life force plunging into the material world. On the right side rises the Anubis, the Egyptian God of the dead who welcomes souls to the underworld. And on top of the wheel sits the Sphinx, representing knowledge and strength.

In the corners of the Wheel of Fortune card are four winged creatures, each associated with the four fixed signs of the Zodiac: the angel is Aquarius, the eagle is Scorpio, the lion is Leo, and the bull is Taurus. Their wings signify stability amidst movement and change, and each holds the Torah, representing wisdom.{SOURCE}

GM: Crazy
"Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment
The Corporate Elite
Deciding On the Best Course of Action
Callum's Eighth Point

William:

Manu Iti: Callum's Eighth Point appears to indicate that he is saying that if The Tanager does not want Callum to access my thoughts through Callum reading The Book of Musing On The Mother II, then "That's Okay".

I wouldn't argue with that reasoning as it is within the rules of The Role-Play.
I have provided Callum with enough devices for him to help himself and learn through. I cannot decide for him whether he uses those or is happy not to, if The Tanager does not want him to.{SOURCE}

William: Re "Getting knowledgeable with new information, clearly the 8th point is resisting doing so - in reading the post linked, I also note this;

Callum protests that the Idea of the Physical Universe being a Simulated Reality is no better than any other explanation, such as the Christian worldview claims or other creationist worldviews.
However, he does not say why those other world views should be considered as being ideas which do not support the idea of the Physical Universe being a Simulated Reality.

So, rather than go down that path with him, I will hold off until whenever he might decide to explain what he means.

William: This is still something, three years on - that Tanager argues while he remains unclear as to what the "Christian worldview" is and why it is not supportive of Simulation Theory.

GM: Outposts of Form
You are neutral
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William: FTL; Re: Eternity

William: Perhaps the idea of the universe being non-deterministic is a purely fanciful one, based upon humans being [apparently] unable to accurately predict very well.

Difflugia Perhaps, but there's no evidence of that and lots of evidence to the contrary. Randomness and uncertainty appear to all of our tests to be a fundamental property that the universe must obey.

William: The key message you generated there, "appear to all of our tests", is no random accident. .

That it might 'appear' this way has everything to do with the device [filters] through which the assessment is being placed through. The interpretation of that which is being observed through experience.

GM: Live with Soul Union
viewtopic.php?p=1089503#p1089503

William: Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control = 876
Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876

06:43 [Look from a different angle]

[William]

041122 [What The Creator thinks – becomes]

13:51 [Science of Truth]


GM: Reborn
Stubborn
Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
On The Other Hand...
Self-esteem
Self-love

William: Self-esteem...On The Other Hand... Self-love = 360
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are = 360


GM: The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
Odd
The wisdom of insecurity
Aligning With WingMakers
Look from a different angle
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
"Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
Ooky Spooky
Too
The Deeper Reality
Play
Noticeable within The Realms of Democracy
Spiritual path
Sound
Mystery
viewtopic.php?p=1091764#p1091764

As the knowledge increases, the individual can make decisions on the question of GOD and from that, take up positions on the matter.

GM: Breaking bad habits
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
The Path
Madventures
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Reflect
All Information Is Channelled
Toward a Science of Consciousness
Before The Beginning
Long Story Short
viewtopic.php?p=1081586#p1081586

Agnosticism accepts the validity of the possibility the environment we exist within is indeed a created one {a creation}, implying therefore, that there is a creator.
The position of Agnosticism also requires questions are asked, pertaining to the identity of supposed creator

GM: Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome
Conceivable
Be transparent
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Two sides of the same coin Interpretation Narrow Zero In On It
The Masks and the Costumes
Fear of the Unknown
Heart chakra
“You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
Items of Interest
Story
Simulating large scale structure
Light
Confusion In The Air
The United Nations
Fear-Based Thinking
Sister Saturn
[Satan, The Jews, and The Afterlife] [RTS=34:36] www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6XF71YswCs

God asks us to try and understand him - so let's try.

GM: Is Love That Hard To Know?
Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
Communications Device
Wise beyond ones years
Watch This Space
Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
Sanctioned
viewtopic.php?p=1082379#p1082379

It is not as if I am asking you to consider joining a religion. I am asking you to seriously consider the possibility that we exist in a creation and it is a result of a creative mind.
I am trying to encourage you to see the logic in the middle-ground position which wisely understands that there is not enough information to establish any belief either way but certainly enough information to show the unreasonableness of those less-superior positions.

Intractable [hard to control or deal with.]
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Flat
Lucid
“Diogenes raises his lantern looking for an honest man, but his arm has grown weary, shaking as the pale light flickers.”
Dogs of the sea
[YAHWEH | Shocking Truth Behind The Original Bible Story! Episode 3] [RTS=37:13] www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaXpDsjVumk

re Ancestral Narrative - a time when ancestors were governed over by nonhuman beings

The idea of benevolence comes after the idea of evil.
The Sioux Elder [The elder: Not all older or elderly people are considered elders. An elder is a person that has accumulated a great deal of wisdom and knowledge throughout his or her lifetime, especially in the tradition and customs of the group.]
Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
Inspection
Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion
Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.

[14:23] [Leaders and Followers]

[William]

06:24 [Try Different Methods]


GM: Ars Notoria
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
viewtopic.php?p=1089107#p1089107

Re: The problem of evil
[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Don't know where you got your quote from...

Thanks for the heads up - I edited OP by adding source link.

5. Evil exists.

This is what the OPQ is asking. Is the statement "Evil exists" one of fact or conjecture?

iow - is "evil" an objective reality or a subjective conjecture?

Biblical stories of the God viewing human behavior as being ["evil"?] would support that such behavior can be observed objectively and thus "5. Evil exists." would be true.

But as we all know, 'evil' is spawned through moralistic principles which folk have difficulty in agreeing to when moralism is thought of as opinion-based...

Of course the problem only exists for those who claim the character of god, as stated above, is true, in light of reality.

Which is to say what, re those who do not claim such? That those ones believe evil does not exist? Something else?

Re that, what of the question of GOD? Does removing characterizations re GOD, remove the possibility that GOD exists?

GM: [World's smartest person wrote this one mysterious book] www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNYK7rnXi9g
Alike as two peas in a pod
Golden nugget
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Hyper Complex
From The Source - Said Another Way
"Put the Teachings Into Practice"

From The Source - Said Another Way "Put the Teachings Into Practice" = 638
The external cannot be known as acutely as the internal can be known = 638

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Re: ADAM WAS NOT DECIEVED - THE SPIRITUAL REASON WHY

On the assumption that we exist within a creation, then I would argue that a Creator-GOD did intend for us to experience as real, this Created Universe.
If the mortal experience is interpreted by any experiencing it to be a trial and a test of some sort, this may not signify any truth in the interpretation as the individuals response to the experience may be a mis-interpretation of what is going on.

What I could agree to is that this would have been one of the known responses of the Creator-God if that entity did indeed posses the attributes you stipulate with your question.

Mortality appears to be part of that plan. Experiencing what it is like to die. [Death].

I note the above, because people are not only born, and then experience this universe through that process [live], and respond to the experience [living] in whatever fashion they chose to respond, but also experience dying and death - something which signifies the end of the experience for the individual who dies.

Born. Live the experience. Die.

Therefore;
I can accept that morality was part of that creator-gods plan

GM: The Hologram of Deception
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Taking root
Paradise
viewtopic.php?p=1078016#p1078016

Re: How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?

I am of the persuasion that what is written was taken from much older sources which were themselves fireside stories told to entertain and instruct and give insight and inspiration through analogy and by the time they were placed into written form, the stories themselves had come to be believed to be true accounts of historical significance, mixed in with actual true accounts of cultural heritage, to become almost indistinguishable from actually.

GM: Dualic Energies
The Spirit of The Earth
Thinking Allowed
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Stop. Listen. Observe.
Sometimes the simplest explanations are the best...
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
Perpetual Creative Conscious Intelligence
[Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber] [RTS=10:55] www.youtube.com/watch?v=GldRtyEqPt8

CBD qualities - evidence matters

GM: Counteracted
The Clutter Of Comparison
Technique of Exchange
The non-Judgmental Algorithm
viewtopic.php?p=1092387#p1092387

Q: Why did YHWH create a biological creature which was going to die eventually?
____________________

God did not create humans to die eventually.

But being omniscient, before he created A&E god knew they and all their descendants would eventually die. So, in a very real sense god did create humans to die eventually.

This has to be the correct way to understand the story, as the story is presented.

GM: ♬Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me♬
Once Upon a Time
Central To The Vision
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... p=13778149

Therefore it accomplishes nothing, and has no possible purpose. (Kind of like a similar problem with a hypothetical creator god who is omniscient, and therefore cannot learn anything or experience anything new, and thus has no reason to actually create anything.

Exactly - except that being omniscient would be the very reason WHY the creation of the Physical Universe was engineered - as a means to escape the omniscient condition.

And observing said Physical Universe, we can understand that it would be a great thing for that exact purpose.

A physical manifestation of a mental projection...the same would apply to the "many eternal universe theory" which J. Richard Gott explains...only with variety...and timelessness [since these are eternal - go on forever even that they all have beginnings...which would be a better way to do it if one would never have to suffer from omniscience again...always having something new to learn...

GM: [The Truth Illusion | Al Jazeera Investigations] [RTS=32:18] www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0URbems8M

The term "Conspiracy Theory" is an interesting term because it was a term that was originally popularized by the CIA in order to discredit people who were saying that the Warren Commission, which was the commission that had investigated my uncles assassination, were crazy and that they shouldn't be paid attention to.
Robert F. Kennedy Jnr

GM: Event String Unfolding
ET and the notion of GODs
The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
What the seed holds
First Light
Like a doting parent
How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
Arms Crossed The Solar System
The Generated Messages
viewtopic.php?p=1083860#p1083860

[Replying to Diogenes in post #15]

I gave an example of what obviously appears to be a delusional belief, by every definition, but for the 'religion' exception:
Doesn't the belief that Muhammad rode a winged horse to Jerusalem, through seven heavens, hell, and paradise, into the presence of God, and back to Earth, appear delusional to anyone not Muslim?

To which I receive the question from William,

Why would you think that?

I am momentarily speechless. Who, besides maybe a Muslim, could possibly consider a man riding a mythical winged animal up to 'heaven,' then to six more 'heavens,' then to Hell, and back to Paradise, and finally to Earth anything but a delusional belief, but for the 'religion' exemption? If the Islamic claim does not appear absurd on its face, no amount of "man 'splaining" will be sufficient.

It's even more silly than fiery chariots going to heaven, talking snakes and Noah's mythical boat.

Why would you think that the one is 'more silly' than the others?

Also;

Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
The question appears to be a loaded one as it steers toward one of two conclusions.
1: Yes, religious beliefs are delusional [with supporting evidence]
2: No, religious beliefs are not delusional. [also with supporting evidence]

The better question has to be:
Q: Are All Religious Beliefs Delusional?

and with that, one can analyze the data without the leading bias interfering with the results...

re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.

For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.

This is what religious mythology consists of, and as such, it is best not to take these as literal imagery but to understand these as approximations and utterances which are unable to describe
with any type of accuracy, using what device is available for them to convey experience.

When understood in this way, any alternate experience of such nature [not just religious-based ones] is limited [to being accurately explained] by the current devices used to convey explanations of experience.

Thus the OPQ - while focused upon the religious mythologies of individual experiences, can be asked of every alternate experience ever reported.

The answer to the OPQ would therefore, have to be "we currently do not have enough information to make a call on it".

Any literal beliefs in mythological imagery could be considered delusional.

For example, the teller of the experience might say something like "the best I can describe the manner in which I moved through layers of my experience was that it was similar to riding a horse or chariot, but there was no actual horse or chariot".

The listeners might conveniently forget that part of the tellers story, in subsequent retellings of it.

Contrary to that, the teller of the story might not explain that he/she is using analogy and simply declare "the manner in which I moved through layers of my experience was that I rode chariot" in which case it would not be a matter of delusion but rather a matter of veering away from the truth through deliberately misinforming the listeners through omittance.

GM: Burgeoning
"Pixie Farts create Pixel parts"
Discipline
Leave a Trail
Sort It Out

[William]

091122 [Nonviolent communication]

06:30 [Soul Carrier Memories]


GM: The Hierarchy Command Suffering
[Graham Hancock: Consciousness and the Limits of the Materialist Paradigm] [RTS=41:42] www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaWkX_ASkI

Raises the question "What happens to us when we die?" What is death? Dreaming - practice of lucid dreaming - preparation for the next phase...

GM: Okay?

William: It seems logical in the context - when we die - , we enter into a lucidity within a state which we touch upon during our sleep - what we refer to as "dreaming" and infer that dreams "are not real" - without the realization that dreams are alternate experiences which we have and thus, are real.
I suspect that the reason we think of dream experiences as not being real, is because we do not recollect them in the same way as we do, the lucid moments of our wakened state in this reality we call 'physical'. The memory of our dream quickly fades and is soon forgotten and allocated as simply 'what the brain does' which has no bearing on the reality of our physical experiences.
In reality, dreams are a preparation, and the practice of lucid dreaming helps the individual prepare for the next phase experience and handle it better than one could if one were not prepared.

GM: Prevailing Influence
viewtopic.php?p=1087897#p1087897

How much of a period should folk be allowed to have to investigate after being informed that their belief-based "truth"-statements require working on?

William: Indeed - it is significantly about preparation - being prepared. Someone who thinks that they are only their body, and when their body dies, they die - such belief allows no room for preparation and dreams are nothing more than illusions...and to think that dreams are more than simply illusions, is delusional...

GM: [Why Alien Life Would be our Doom - The Great Filter] [RTS=6:07] www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjtOGPJ0URM

Species unable to advance beyond the boarder of their planets environment...

GM: And Loving That Knowing

William: Well - as in accepting that it is what it is and that the physical universe is mostly to do with growing individual personalities which are helpful/useful in the next phase...

GM: viewtopic.php?p=1093735#p1093735

William: FTL; Re: Okay, Let's Cut To The Chase!

1) God causes some, and not others, to become inexorably drawn to Him.
2) God changes hearts

The take-away, yet again.... He apparently does this for some. Why not just do this for all?

Is there evidence that it is done for some?

If so, then, that it is not done for all should be also be evident so one would have to look into that evidence.
___________
The argument usually has to do with an individual having free will.

IF:
Free Will is the ability to tell ones brain what to think
THEN:
One has a possible answer as to why it is only done for some and not all.

William: Indeed. YHVH grows personalities and not all personalities are drawn to YHVH, but this does not signify that YHVH has no use for such...

GM: It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement
Refuge
Positive Feedback
[The Fascinating Truth About Energy With Professor Jim Al-Khalili | Order and Disorder | ] [RTS=9:43] www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeaQpuYPsy8

"The Living Force"

GM: The idea would be for one to get knowledgeable with new information being presented and, in doing so, drop old concepts for new ones.
Tell Your Story
Breathe In Breathe Out
Eternal Watcher
Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
What relationship is Satan to YHVH?
Elysian [paradise reserved for the heroes immortalized by the gods.]
Pseudepigraphical [are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.]
It Requires Corrective Action
"If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human"
Around The Next Corner
Guru
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William: FTL; Re: How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?

Everything will be reset

Supporting Simulation Theory, yet again.

Being a programmer by day and by night, I can safely say we are not in a simulation program.

Your being a programmer creating simulations within the larger simulation, makes no difference to the idea that we exist within a simulated reality experience.
What has you believing otherwise, simply because you are "a programmer by day and by night"?
Do you believe that you skills are on par with YHVH? That since you could not create the vast coding in the order of your choice, in a mere six days, that this gives you confidence The Elohim did not achieve this?

Is there an explanation for the Big Bang singularity? No, not even math can be used to explain it.

The simulation is designed in a manner that limits those experiencing it as a reality, making it difficult to peer through the veil and observe the realm of YHVH from outside of it...
Yet, clearly the mathematics is there to discover and in that, [and not that alone] YHVH wants us to know that we exist within a created thing.

Your argument is obviously designed for those who are materialists, to say "Look! it is evident that we exist within a creation, therefore there must exist a creator!" and we can agree to that much.

However, it is very curious to me that you resist the idea that the creation is a simulated reality. Simulation Theory can explain every religious story ever told, including all the biblical stories.

Furthermore, we are informed by physicists that spacetime, as a fundamental reality, is doomed.
This should be exciting evidence to all theists who enjoy their battles with materialists who deny that we exist within a created thing, yet clearly the idea that the created thing is a simulation finds resistance in those theists...and my question is "why is this the case?"

What about the biblical content and context, has you resisting this idea, otseng?

07:09 [In the biblical telling of it]