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Scientific thinking and common sense

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I have noticed that sometimes people with a scientific mind, people who have studied a lot and know a lot of information about different sciences, do not notice simple things that do not escape the attention of ordinary people, even if they have studied less or almost nothing.

For example, the fact that the animals that evolutionists call "lower" in the evolutionary scale still live alongside humans, and that others supposedly fitter, because they are located in a higher position in the evolutionary line of man, no longer exist.

Evolutionary theory holds that as animals progressed up the evolutionary scale, they became more capable of surviving. Why, then, is the “inferior” ape family still in existence, but not a single one of the presumed intermediate forms, which were supposed to be more advanced in evolution? Today we see chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans, but no “ape-men.” Does it seem likely that every one of the more recent and supposedly more advanced “links” between apelike creatures and modern man should have become extinct, but not the lower apes? https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101985017

To what extent do you think the "wisdom" of this system of things can cloud a person's mind?

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:06 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness. You see this is a debate sight-the darkness stands on one side, and i stand for God and his truth.
It's a shame the only thing God has to fight against the darkness is a dim bulb.
When God shows you, you will remember my words.

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kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:18 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:06 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness. You see this is a debate sight-the darkness stands on one side, and i stand for God and his truth.
It's a shame the only thing God has to fight against the darkness is a dim bulb.
When God shows you, you will remember my words.
The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.
I might be Teddy Roosevelt, but I ain't.
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kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness.
You don't offer evidence that your claims are true. Therefore they are in fact empty claims.
Holy Books don't count as evidence here.
You see this is a debate sight-the darkness stands on one side, and i stand for God and his truth.
I believe I understand as to why man has created religions. I understand there are humans that have a need to have answers to questions that religions provide (why and how are we here, what happens when we die etc...). My mother is one such person. She needs to think she knows about such unknowns as it provides comfort to her and I get that, even though I don't share the need.

Feel free to believe in whatever god concept makes you happy, but why can't you do it without making enemies (the darkness stands on the one side) out of everyone that doesn't share in your religious beliefs? You have providing a wonderful example of the division that religions cause. Ironic no, coming from a religion of love?

Again, I understand your need to have a religion, what I don't understand is the seeming desire to make enemies of those who do not subscribe to a believe you choose to believe in. The division caused by religions is unjustified IMO, but you keep right on displaying it for us all if you can't help yourself.

Only when mothers and fathers stop telling their children that there is a god that loves them so much, as to send them to a heaven, yet hates another so much, as to send them to an eternal hell will we ever stop the violence and bloodshed caused by religious beliefs. And yet, you believe that I'm on the side of darkness. Something about a plank in ones own eye comes to mind.

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Clownboat wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness.
You don't offer evidence that your claims are true. Therefore they are in fact empty claims.

Holy Books don't count as evidence here.
It's rather odd that you say this because you and others regularly offer it as evidence of erroneous history, distorted morality and superstition, that's not equitable - you can cite it as evidence for your claims but others can't cite it as evidence for theirs...

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Inquirer wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:57 pmIt's rather odd that you say this because you and others regularly offer it as evidence of erroneous history, distorted morality and superstition, that's not equitable - you can cite it as evidence for your claims but others can't cite it as evidence for theirs...
Compare this with:

The guidelines for this forum wrote:While posters may certainly take positions based on religious doctrine, the Bible or other religious writings are not to be considered evidence for scientific claims.
<bolding mine>

The ‘for’ is the crucial point here. You haven’t shown any evidence of a non-theist ignoring this guideline. The three types of evidence you reference are of errors in the Bible itself, not of any scientific fact or theory.

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JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:03 pm
kjw47 wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:18 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 11:06 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness. You see this is a debate sight-the darkness stands on one side, and i stand for God and his truth.
It's a shame the only thing God has to fight against the darkness is a dim bulb.
When God shows you, you will remember my words.
The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.

I am the preacher

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Clownboat wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:48 pm
kjw47 wrote: Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:18 pm My words arent empty, and i am debating the darkness.
You don't offer evidence that your claims are true. Therefore they are in fact empty claims.
Holy Books don't count as evidence here.
You see this is a debate sight-the darkness stands on one side, and i stand for God and his truth.
I believe I understand as to why man has created religions. I understand there are humans that have a need to have answers to questions that religions provide (why and how are we here, what happens when we die etc...). My mother is one such person. She needs to think she knows about such unknowns as it provides comfort to her and I get that, even though I don't share the need.

Feel free to believe in whatever god concept makes you happy, but why can't you do it without making enemies (the darkness stands on the one side) out of everyone that doesn't share in your religious beliefs? You have providing a wonderful example of the division that religions cause. Ironic no, coming from a religion of love?

Again, I understand your need to have a religion, what I don't understand is the seeming desire to make enemies of those who do not subscribe to a believe you choose to believe in. The division caused by religions is unjustified IMO, but you keep right on displaying it for us all if you can't help yourself.

Only when mothers and fathers stop telling their children that there is a god that loves them so much, as to send them to a heaven, yet hates another so much, as to send them to an eternal hell will we ever stop the violence and bloodshed caused by religious beliefs. And yet, you believe that I'm on the side of darkness. Something about a plank in ones own eye comes to mind.

Be well.
You cannot disprove a word i say, so then you are in the same boat. Except i am correct.

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kjw47 wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:43 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:03 pm The liar lies, and the preacher preaches.
I am the preacher
I find it interesting you felt the need to tell which one.
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Diagoras wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:07 pm
Inquirer wrote: Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:57 pmIt's rather odd that you say this because you and others regularly offer it as evidence of erroneous history, distorted morality and superstition, that's not equitable - you can cite it as evidence for your claims but others can't cite it as evidence for theirs...
Compare this with:

The guidelines for this forum wrote:While posters may certainly take positions based on religious doctrine, the Bible or other religious writings are not to be considered evidence for scientific claims.
<bolding mine>

The ‘for’ is the crucial point here. You haven’t shown any evidence of a non-theist ignoring this guideline. The three types of evidence you reference are of errors in the Bible itself, not of any scientific fact or theory.
Let's be very very clear, are you affirming that no atheist has used the Bible to support a scientific argument or claim in the science area of the forum? Is that the proposition you believe you can defend?

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[Replying to Inquirer in post #309]
... are you affirming that no atheist has used the Bible to support a scientific argument or claim in the science area of the forum?
Can you provide an example of this? I don't recall ever seeing any such thing, but there are plenty of debates where science has been used to debunk biblical claims (eg. Noah's flood). Never seen an atheist use the bible to support a scientific argument or claim though ... I'm not sure how that would even work.
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