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evolutionary attack

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Is there a word for when one creature convinces another creature to not do something in its evolutionary interest?

Like when a cuckoo bird takes over a nest and the other bird feeds it thinking it is feeding its children?

Or more to my point, if I can convince someone they are gay or should not have children because of the planet or there is no God - what would be the word for that?
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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:47 am [Replying to Tcg in post #40]

Unfortunately, the tangents are not being created by me. Maybe not every post of mine is directed to you either. Threads can be hard to follow at the best of times.
I didn't ask anything about tangents, I asked, "What in the world does this have to do with evolution or an attack?" Given your thread title, this question is perfectly relevant and not tangential. Apparently, it will remain unanswered.


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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 pm
But for a Christian to murder, a real, true, going to heaven Christian, is for them to not be following the Way.
As if there are Christians who aren't Christians. Regardless, if they've read about the flood or the genocides or the fire Jesus warned of or the events described in Revelation... well, any of the Bible really, then yes, murder and even mass-murder is part of the "Way." Hitler by the way followed this aspect of the "Way." Certainly, you've read his testimony to this effect.


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Re: evolutionary attack

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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:20 am
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 pm
But for a Christian to murder, a real, true, going to heaven Christian, is for them to not be following the Way.
As if there are Christians who aren't Christians. Regardless, if they've read about the flood or the genocides or the fire Jesus warned of or the events described in Revelation... well, any of the Bible really, then yes, murder and even mass-murder is part of the "Way." Hitler by the way followed this aspect of the "Way." Certainly, you've read his testimony to this effect.


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Well, I am not arguing that many who say 'Lord, Lord' will find Jesus disowning them on the final day. But it is just a book comprehension issue to be where you are at. Have you seen Die Hard or any action movie in the last 50 years? Generally when the bad guys get killed it is not called murder. Now I am sure the bad guys don't see it that way but according to the story they were.
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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:50 am
brunumb wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:54 pm
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:25 am [Replying to brunumb in post #37]

I posted a link to a news article. What are you talking about?
Yes. I addressed that in Post #35. Let me try again.

Even if I granted you this one example as being valid though (I'm not), Ham stated the following:

"The growing acceptance of atheistic evolution has resulted in many rejected God as Created. Over the years, many have used evolution to justify sinful behavior.".

Are you able to offer any support for the claim of many? Can Ham honestly make that claim if there is no irrefutable evidence for it to be found?
OK let's take another tack. You show me one example of someone using evolution to justify something they do.

Because if we can't find even one that satisfies your view then we don't need to worry about finding many.
Hang on. Don't try shifting it onto me. Are you able to offer any support for the claim of many? Can Ham honestly make that claim if there is no irrefutable evidence for it to be found?
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Re: evolutionary attack

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brunumb wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:58 am
Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:50 am
brunumb wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:54 pm
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:25 am [Replying to brunumb in post #37]

I posted a link to a news article. What are you talking about?
Yes. I addressed that in Post #35. Let me try again.

Even if I granted you this one example as being valid though (I'm not), Ham stated the following:

"The growing acceptance of atheistic evolution has resulted in many rejected God as Created. Over the years, many have used evolution to justify sinful behavior.".

Are you able to offer any support for the claim of many? Can Ham honestly make that claim if there is no irrefutable evidence for it to be found?
OK let's take another tack. You show me one example of someone using evolution to justify something they do.

Because if we can't find even one that satisfies your view then we don't need to worry about finding many.
Hang on. Don't try shifting it onto me. Are you able to offer any support for the claim of many? Can Ham honestly make that claim if there is no irrefutable evidence for it to be found?
You are asking me to find a needle in a haystack without showing me what the needle looks like. Please show me one example of a person using evolutionary behaviour to justify sin before I go out trying to find many.
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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:49 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:20 am
Wootah wrote: Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 pm
But for a Christian to murder, a real, true, going to heaven Christian, is for them to not be following the Way.
As if there are Christians who aren't Christians. Regardless, if they've read about the flood or the genocides or the fire Jesus warned of or the events described in Revelation... well, any of the Bible really, then yes, murder and even mass-murder is part of the "Way." Hitler by the way followed this aspect of the "Way." Certainly, you've read his testimony to this effect.


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Well, I am not arguing that many who say 'Lord, Lord' will find Jesus disowning them on the final day. But it is just a book comprehension issue to be where you are at. Have you seen Die Hard or any action movie in the last 50 years? Generally when the bad guys get killed it is not called murder. Now I am sure the bad guys don't see it that way but according to the story they were.
Yep. All those nasty little babies God killed in the flood and in the Passover event and in the genocides and of course the poor little baby that sinned by being born as a result of David's adultery. He was such a bad little guy to be born as a result of David's lustful and eventually murderous action. And let's not forget he was a man after God's own heart. David that is, not the murdered baby. What a shining example of God's heart.

Oh, and by the way, I've never watched Die Hard or any other of those shoot and kill people flicks.


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Re: evolutionary attack

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Difflugia wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:05 am
Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 12:50 amOK let's take another tack. You show me one example of someone using evolution to justify something they do.
I personally use evolution to justify not misusing antibiotics. Does that count?
What do you mean by misuse? Do you mean you don't take antibiotics because of the chance of creating a superbug over time?
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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:09 am OK let's take another tack. You show me one example of someone using evolution to justify something they do.

Because if we can't find even one that satisfies your view then we don't need to worry about finding many.
The problem here is in attempting to meld the scientific - evolution - with the religious - "sin".

As an atheist, until someone can show me they know the mind of God, I have no need to attempt to justify my "sin".

This is kinda the problem the religious encounter when they fuss about "sin" - their complete and utter inability to show sin is anything other'n the upset some folks try to justify by declaring a god they can't show exists has an opinion they can't show he does.

"Evolutionary attack"?

This OP is an empty attack.
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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:38 amWhat do you mean by misuse? Do you mean you don't take antibiotics because of the chance of creating a superbug over time?
I take them when I have something bacterial that needs antibiotics, but I'm careful about taking them correctly. I also don't use topical antibiotics unless the wound actually appears infected and then I use them until the wound is healed. Yes, because of the superbug thing.
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Re: evolutionary attack

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Wootah wrote: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:09 am You are asking me to find a needle in a haystack without showing me what the needle looks like. Please show me one example of a person using evolutionary behaviour to justify sin before I go out trying to find many.
But you were the one who posted a link to a newspaper article allegedly demonstrating that very point. Now you are saying you don't even know what to look for. Sheesh!
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