Every cell in my 47 year old body is doing its best to keep me alive and to divide and split and produce me. This happened from cell 1 to cell 37.2 trillion. All of them, following their programming and making me ongoingly across time.
How is the zygote of a human not a human again?
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Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Post #61Then what was all that about "every" cell?Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:24 amEdge cases don't matter really. It is clear that as we amass more cells we can live without some of them.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:16 am Speaking of life being unsafe, you never answered Joey's cancer cells questions, did you?
In considering this now, there's some relation to a woman having unwanted cancer cells, and unwanted zygootic cells.
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Post #62For clarity - did you say earlier the zygote in question is a human zygote or not?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:34 amThen what was all that about "every" cell?Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:24 amEdge cases don't matter really. It is clear that as we amass more cells we can live without some of them.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:16 am Speaking of life being unsafe, you never answered Joey's cancer cells questions, did you?
In considering this now, there's some relation to a woman having unwanted cancer cells, and unwanted zygootic cells.
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Post #63Sure, human zygote.Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 2:01 amFor clarity - did you say earlier the zygote in question is a human zygote or not?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:34 amThen what was all that about "every" cell?Wootah wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 1:24 amEdge cases don't matter really. It is clear that as we amass more cells we can live without some of them.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Fri Jul 22, 2022 12:16 am Speaking of life being unsafe, you never answered Joey's cancer cells questions, did you?
In considering this now, there's some relation to a woman having unwanted cancer cells, and unwanted zygootic cells.
You seem to imply some human cells are worthy of getting rid of, while maybe others ain't.
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Post #64And what if it is a human? Your consciousness, without any of your cells, is the real you, ne? Your soul? If I mindswap you with a chicken, and kill your body while it has a chicken in it, is that the huge deal or is it the huge deal if I kill the chicken while it has your mind in it?Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:21 pm Every cell in my 47 year old body is doing its best to keep me alive and to divide and split and produce me. This happened from cell 1 to cell 37.2 trillion. All of them, following their programming and making me ongoingly across time.
How is the zygote of a human not a human again?
I understand this is fantasy, but it says something that my way provides an answer to who has rights here that clearly scans (Prince Merkimer, due to his consciousness, must be protected despite being in a pig's body) while simply focusing on whether a textbook defines it as a human (regardless of consciousness) has the pro-life side protecting Merkimer's wallowing, oinking body and permissibly hunting down the real prince for his pork chops because he now tastes very good and isn't technically a human anymore.
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Post #65Prove consciousness exists. Then prove it is relevant. My instinct (lol) is that consciousness is a massive red herring.Purple Knight wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:16 pmAnd what if it is a human? Your consciousness, without any of your cells, is the real you, ne? Your soul? If I mindswap you with a chicken, and kill your body while it has a chicken in it, is that the huge deal or is it the huge deal if I kill the chicken while it has your mind in it?Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:21 pm Every cell in my 47 year old body is doing its best to keep me alive and to divide and split and produce me. This happened from cell 1 to cell 37.2 trillion. All of them, following their programming and making me ongoingly across time.
How is the zygote of a human not a human again?
I understand this is fantasy, but it says something that my way provides an answer to who has rights here that clearly scans (Prince Merkimer, due to his consciousness, must be protected despite being in a pig's body) while simply focusing on whether a textbook defines it as a human (regardless of consciousness) has the pro-life side protecting Merkimer's wallowing, oinking body and permissibly hunting down the real prince for his pork chops because he now tastes very good and isn't technically a human anymore.
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Post #66Consciousness is what has you asking about it.
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Post #67[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]
It's a red herring. Atheists do it all the time. We don't believe in God because we can't see hear feel or touch God but hey we want to kill babies because ... consciousness.
It's a red herring. Atheists do it all the time. We don't believe in God because we can't see hear feel or touch God but hey we want to kill babies because ... consciousness.
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Post #68I've never, until you mentioned it, heard tell of anyone wanting to kill a baby cause it was conscious.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:41 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]
It's a red herring. Atheists do it all the time. We don't believe in God because we can't see hear feel or touch God but hey we want to kill babies because ... consciousness.
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Post #69Because you think a metaphysical concept such as consciousness exists and you can work out what things are conscious and not then you can work out when to kill a baby.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:07 pmI've never, until you mentioned it, heard tell of anyone wanting to kill a baby cause it was conscious.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:41 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]
It's a red herring. Atheists do it all the time. We don't believe in God because we can't see hear feel or touch God but hey we want to kill babies because ... consciousness.
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Post #70Can you rephrase that for me, please. Like I'm five.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:16 pmBecause you think a metaphysical concept such as consciousness exists and you can work out what things are conscious and not then you can work out when to kill a baby.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 7:07 pmI've never, until you mentioned it, heard tell of anyone wanting to kill a baby cause it was conscious.Wootah wrote: ↑Mon Jul 25, 2022 6:41 pm [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #66]
It's a red herring. Atheists do it all the time. We don't believe in God because we can't see hear feel or touch God but hey we want to kill babies because ... consciousness.
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