Jesus is God and Why !

[Brightfame52]

Matt 19:16-26

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.


This passage actually is teaching the Truth that Jesus is God ! Notice vs 17 As the young man had addressed Jesus as good, and Jesus responded accordingly, why callest thou me good, for none is good but ONE, that One Being God

Now , notice Jesus did not say, none is good but One and that is my Father, but He said that One, Being God !

Now if Jesus by this is not insinuating that He is God, then the alternative is that He was not good, seeing He just said only ONE, not Two, but ONLY ONE is good.

Now, if Jesus was not good, being that He was not the Only One Good God, then His commanding him, the young ruler, in order to be perfect, that he must go sell all his possessions, then give to the poor, and follow Him; Such an commandment exposed that the young man loved his possessions above God, which was a violation of the very first commandment, now if Jesus was not God, then the young mans refusal to obey and follow Jesus, could not be a proper standard to gauge his Love to God !

For there could not have been nothing amiss about not making such a great sacrifice as that Jesus told him, and then following Him if the One speaking was not the One God, who Only was good !

[LittleNipper]

But if no one can see GOD, how can JESUS CHRIST be HIS image?

Are you suggesting a human cannot be in Gods image?

GENESIS 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image

I'm saying that we are in the image of CHRIST/ MESSIAH, and very much like GOD, we are TRIUNE in nature. We possess a BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT ---- unlike any other living thing. Our BODY is what we see. Our SOUL is who we are. And our SPIRIT is what we wish to be controlled by.

[onewithhim]

But if no one can see GOD, how can JESUS CHRIST be HIS image?

Are you suggesting a human cannot be in Gods image?

GENESIS 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image

I'm saying that we are in the image of CHRIST/ MESSIAH, and very much like GOD, we are TRIUNE in nature. We possess a BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT ---- unlike any other living thing. Our BODY is what we see. Our SOUL is who we are. And our SPIRIT is what we wish to be controlled by.

We do not believe Satan's lies that we can be like God and successfully be our own director, if you will. What you say does not show that we are a triune nature. We are like God in that we have His attributes of love, power, justice, and wisdom. Those things we all have the ability for. Not that we are spirits like God and Christ. BTW, we do not possess a body, soul and spirit unlike the other living things. We ARE a soul and have spirit just like the animals, if you would do some deep studying of the Scriptures. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20)

[LittleNipper]

But if no one can see GOD, how can JESUS CHRIST be HIS image?

Are you suggesting a human cannot be in Gods image?

GENESIS 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image

I'm saying that we are in the image of CHRIST/ MESSIAH, and very much like GOD, we are TRIUNE in nature. We possess a BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT ---- unlike any other living thing. Our BODY is what we see. Our SOUL is who we are. And our SPIRIT is what we wish to be controlled by.

We do not believe Satan's lies that we can be like God and successfully be our own director, if you will. What you say does not show that we are a triune nature. We are like God in that we have His attributes of love, power, justice, and wisdom. Those things we all have the ability for. Not that we are spirits like God and Christ. BTW, we do not possess a body, soul and spirit unlike the other living things. We ARE a soul and have spirit just like the animals, if you would do some deep studying of the Scriptures. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20)

Not entirely, see: I Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That seems to be triune to me .

[onewithhim]

But if no one can see GOD, how can JESUS CHRIST be HIS image?

Are you suggesting a human cannot be in Gods image?

GENESIS 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image

I'm saying that we are in the image of CHRIST/ MESSIAH, and very much like GOD, we are TRIUNE in nature. We possess a BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT ---- unlike any other living thing. Our BODY is what we see. Our SOUL is who we are. And our SPIRIT is what we wish to be controlled by.

We do not believe Satan's lies that we can be like God and successfully be our own director, if you will. What you say does not show that we are a triune nature. We are like God in that we have His attributes of love, power, justice, and wisdom. Those things we all have the ability for. Not that we are spirits like God and Christ. BTW, we do not possess a body, soul and spirit unlike the other living things. We ARE a soul and have spirit just like the animals, if you would do some deep studying of the Scriptures. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20)

Not entirely, see: I Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That seems to be triune to me .

The "soul" means everything about the individual, whether human or animal. It is not the same as "spirit." The spirit, which is the power from God to keep us alive, and the body are two different things, but the soul is everything combined about the body and its various aspects. Look at Ecclesiastes again. The animals are also "souls." They are called such in the Scriptures such as in Genesis: Genesis 1:20; 1:24. In Genesis 1:20 the word "soul" is interpreted to say "moving creature," and at Gen.1:24 "living creature." The word "soul" is there in the Hebrew before being translated. The Hebrew word is nephesh and is translated into "living creature" for English speaking people. It is also a word that describes humans. Humans AND animals are "souls." I Thess. is saying that Paul prays to God to preserve the spirit and body and everything about the people, which includes the body and all of its attributes, and then mentions the spirit which gives life to the body. There are not three things involved here, but ONE, the "soul" and its attached adherents, the body, and the power that keeps the soul alive.

[Brightfame52]

Jesus is God even as the Father is God, and He is to be honored in the same proportion, or degree ad the Father,

Jn 5:23

hat all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


And God shares/gives His Honour/Glory with no one else Isa 42:8

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Now if the Son doesnt share the Same Divine Essence as the Father, Jn 5:23 is a lie !

[LittleNipper]

But if no one can see GOD, how can JESUS CHRIST be HIS image?

Are you suggesting a human cannot be in Gods image?

GENESIS 1:26

Then God said, “Let us make man in our image

I'm saying that we are in the image of CHRIST/ MESSIAH, and very much like GOD, we are TRIUNE in nature. We possess a BODY, SOUL, and SPIRIT ---- unlike any other living thing. Our BODY is what we see. Our SOUL is who we are. And our SPIRIT is what we wish to be controlled by.

We do not believe Satan's lies that we can be like God and successfully be our own director, if you will. What you say does not show that we are a triune nature. We are like God in that we have His attributes of love, power, justice, and wisdom. Those things we all have the ability for. Not that we are spirits like God and Christ. BTW, we do not possess a body, soul and spirit unlike the other living things. We ARE a soul and have spirit just like the animals, if you would do some deep studying of the Scriptures. (Ecclesiastes 3:19,20)

Not entirely, see: I Thessalonians 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

That seems to be triune to me .

The "soul" means everything about the individual, whether human or animal. It is not the same as "spirit." The spirit, which is the power from God to keep us alive, and the body are two different things, but the soul is everything combined about the body and its various aspects. Look at Ecclesiastes again. The animals are also "souls." They are called such in the Scriptures such as in Genesis: Genesis 1:20; 1:24. In Genesis 1:20 the word "soul" is interpreted to say "moving creature," and at Gen.1:24 "living creature." The word "soul" is there in the Hebrew before being translated. The Hebrew word is nephesh and is translated into "living creature" for English speaking people. It is also a word that describes humans. Humans AND animals are "souls." I Thess. is saying that Paul prays to God to preserve the spirit and body and everything about the people, which includes the body and all of its attributes, and then mentions the spirit which gives life to the body. There are not three things involved here, but ONE, the "soul" and its attached adherents, the body, and the power that keeps the soul alive.

Me thinks that you are grasping at straws in every human effort to support every doctrine of the Jehovah Witnesses at the expense of JESUS CHRIST, the HOLY SPIRIT, and the CHURCH FATHERS. You are clinging to the JWs and not to JESUS CHRIST.

[onewithhim]

Jesus is God even as the Father is God, and He is to be honored in the same proportion, or degree ad the Father,

Jn 5:23

hat all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.


And God shares/gives His Honour/Glory with no one else Isa 42:8

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Now if the Son doesnt share the Same Divine Essence as the Father, Jn 5:23 is a lie !

Whose commandment is it that we honor the Son? It is God's commandment. Because He says so, we do. We're not talking about "divine essence." The verses don't say anything about "divine essence." Jesus is to be honored like his Father, God, is honored, because God says so. That doesn't mean that Christ is equal to God. The opposite is true. Jehovah is calling the shots. It is He that has given Jesus a position higher than anyone else except Himself. (Phil.2:9-11) Everything is "to the glory of God, the Father."

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #427]

Jn 5:23

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

God doesnt share His Honour with anyone.

Isa 42:8

I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isa 48:11

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #427]

Jn 5:23

That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

God doesnt share His Honour with anyone.

Isa 42:8

I am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isa 48:11

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Christ must be a special individual for him to be bestowed with glory. He was. He is God's Son who came here to do his Father's will, and the Father exalted him to a higher position and gave him considerable glory, as it were. Jesus asked for that glory, as he had in heaven, if you'll read John 17:1-5.

"Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said, 'Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your Son may glorify you, according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole number whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life. This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one you sent forth, Jesus Christ. I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do. So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.'" (John 17:3-5)

Jesus asked for glory, but only to glorify his Father. That was always the goal.

"Every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God, the Father." (Philippians 2:11)

[Brightfame52]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #429]

God doesnt give His Glory to No one Isa 48:11


For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

You doubt God now ?