Does consciousness exist?
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Does consciousness exist?
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Does consciousness exist?
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Does consciousness exist?
Post #71Oh I see, its playing the amateur psychiatrist game, seems like an intellectually poor excuse for objecting to an opponents argument.William wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:45 amFair enough. A bit of give and take is helpful...JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 4:49 pmYet you post as if you do.
When you can gather you up the gumption to answer questions I put to you, I'll be happy to answer the ones you put to me.Why?
I think projection is poor because it is that which contributes to strawman fallacies...
"that's not an argument, you're just projecting" etc.
Even if someone was "projecting" that wouldn't invalidate their argument, I could "project" yet still be making a solid argument, I've never heard anyone whine about "projecting" in any proper debates like the one's I see on Youtube at universities and so on.
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Post #72Pointing out projection need not be an implication regarding one's psychiatric state. Though it's curious you'd fret about it.
It's also curious you'd find the simple noting of projection to include an implication of a lack of argument."that's not an argument, you're just projecting" etc.
I propose you might find less "whining" about projection, if you'd do you less of it.Even if someone was "projecting" that wouldn't invalidate their argument, I could "project" yet still be making a solid argument, I've never heard anyone whine about "projecting" in any proper debates like the one's I see on Youtube at universities and so on.
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Post #73Lets stop there shall we? No more personal remarks from either of us - projection is a claim about someone's presumed motives for making an argument, but motives are irrelevant. Focus on arguments not why we think someone is making the argument.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:28 pmPointing out projection need not be an implication regarding one's psychiatric state. Though it's curious you'd fret about it.
It's also curious you'd find the simple noting of projection to include an implication of a lack of argument."that's not an argument, you're just projecting" etc.
I propose you might find less "whining" about projection, if you'd do you less of it.Even if someone was "projecting" that wouldn't invalidate their argument, I could "project" yet still be making a solid argument, I've never heard anyone whine about "projecting" in any proper debates like the one's I see on Youtube at universities and so on.
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Post #74Okay...Inquirer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 amLets stop there shall we?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:28 pmPointing out projection need not be an implication regarding one's psychiatric state. Though it's curious you'd fret about it.
It's also curious you'd find the simple noting of projection to include an implication of a lack of argument."that's not an argument, you're just projecting" etc.
I propose you might find less "whining" about projection, if you'd do you less of it.Even if someone was "projecting" that wouldn't invalidate their argument, I could "project" yet still be making a solid argument, I've never heard anyone whine about "projecting" in any proper debates like the one's I see on Youtube at universities and so on.
"Let's stop right there. We'll, I mean right after I get me this bit in."No more personal remarks from either of us - projection is a claim about someone's presumed motives for making an argument, but motives are irrelevant. Focus on arguments not why we think someone is making the argument.
I have previously, and will now again, explain to you that an accusation of projection is NOT necessarily an accusation of personal motives.
It's simply denoting a common method of discourse. That you find a noting of fact to be a personal afront is NOT my problem.
I will NOT stop commenting as I see fit simply cause you find my comments bring you discomfort.
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Post #75If I made a mathematical argument, made some case that some theorem appears to be true because of X and Y, do you think there is a mathematician in the world who would counter argue by claiming the proponent is "projecting"?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 8:20 amOkay...Inquirer wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:34 amLets stop there shall we?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 3:28 pmPointing out projection need not be an implication regarding one's psychiatric state. Though it's curious you'd fret about it.
It's also curious you'd find the simple noting of projection to include an implication of a lack of argument."that's not an argument, you're just projecting" etc.
I propose you might find less "whining" about projection, if you'd do you less of it.Even if someone was "projecting" that wouldn't invalidate their argument, I could "project" yet still be making a solid argument, I've never heard anyone whine about "projecting" in any proper debates like the one's I see on Youtube at universities and so on.
"Let's stop right there. We'll, I mean right after I get me this bit in."No more personal remarks from either of us - projection is a claim about someone's presumed motives for making an argument, but motives are irrelevant. Focus on arguments not why we think someone is making the argument.
I have previously, and will now again, explain to you that an accusation of projection is NOT necessarily an accusation of personal motives.
It's simply denoting a common method of discourse. That you find a noting of fact to be a personal afront is NOT my problem.
I will NOT stop commenting as I see fit simply cause you find my comments bring you discomfort.
Even if the shoe fits, ain't nobody forcing you to wear it, but you.
Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
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Re: Does consciousness exist?
Post #76You weren't making a mathematical argument.
This tactic is called deflection.
Please provide a link to the referenced definition, so we can eliminate the possibility of cherry picking or other unscrupulous tactics.Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
Pointing out a fact is hardly projecting.Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!
You might find more comfort here if you quit taking facts as some kind of personal attack.This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
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Re: Does consciousness exist?
Post #77Is this truly how you like to spend time here?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:42 pmYou weren't making a mathematical argument.
This tactic is called deflection.
Please provide a link to the referenced definition, so we can eliminate the possibility of cherry picking or other unscrupulous tactics.Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
Pointing out a fact is hardly projecting.Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!
You might find more comfort here if you quit taking facts as some kind of personal attack.This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
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Post #78When you offer me the courtesy of answering my questions, I'll be plenty happy to answer those questions you have of me.Inquirer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:38 pmIs this truly how you like to spend time here?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:42 pmYou weren't making a mathematical argument.
This tactic is called deflection.
Please provide a link to the referenced definition, so we can eliminate the possibility of cherry picking or other unscrupulous tactics.Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
Pointing out a fact is hardly projecting.Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!
You might find more comfort here if you quit taking facts as some kind of personal attack.This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
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Post #79Yes, you already said that.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:37 pmWhen you offer me the courtesy of answering my questions, I'll be plenty happy to answer those questions you have of me.Inquirer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:38 pmIs this truly how you like to spend time here?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:42 pmYou weren't making a mathematical argument.
This tactic is called deflection.
Please provide a link to the referenced definition, so we can eliminate the possibility of cherry picking or other unscrupulous tactics.Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
Pointing out a fact is hardly projecting.Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!
You might find more comfort here if you quit taking facts as some kind of personal attack.This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
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Post #80Notice dear observer, there's no link to the definition, so we might determine the status of cherry picking.Inquirer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 6:41 pmYes, you already said that.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 4:37 pmWhen you offer me the courtesy of answering my questions, I'll be plenty happy to answer those questions you have of me.Inquirer wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 1:38 pmIs this truly how you like to spend time here?JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 12:42 pmYou weren't making a mathematical argument.
This tactic is called deflection.
Please provide a link to the referenced definition, so we can eliminate the possibility of cherry picking or other unscrupulous tactics.Here's a definition I just looked up for "projecting":
unconsciously taking unwanted emotions or traits you don't like about yourself and attributing them to someone else
Pointing out a fact is hardly projecting.Perhaps then it is you who is projecting? perhaps you don't like thus personal trait you have of projecting so you attribute it to me, how ironic the true projector is the one who accuses others of projecting!
You might find more comfort here if you quit taking facts as some kind of personal attack.This is why personal remarks, personal opinions about the character, mental state, beliefs, motives of one's opponent are frowned upon, it should have stopped in the school yard, it has no place in true respectful discourse.
One's left to wonder why such can't be provided.
It's my firm conviction that posters who have to rely on tricks, who refuse to answer simple, straightforward questions, well they shouldn't be trusted.
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