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NDEs and visions of Jesus.

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In many or at least some reports of NDEs, the experiencer reports meeting Jesus during the NDE. Many times, this report comes from one who is a practicing Christian. No surprise there. The question I have concerning this is how do they know it was Jesus they met?

If the story of Judas is correct, the Jewish chief priests and elders had to hire him to point out who Jesus was. Again, if that is true Jesus must have been a rather ordinary looking man. He would not have stood out in the way that many of the illustrations of him suggest. Perhaps if the NDEers are Catholic or have been exposed to the Shroud of Turin their Jesus looks like that image. But, for the others how do they know what Jesus looks like?


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Re: NDEs and visions of Jesus.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:38 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:35 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:30 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:14 am [Replying to Tcg in post #1]

I had expected that some who are convinced that NDEs include the experience of meeting Jesus would explain how those experiencers knew that they met Jesus. So far that hasn't happened.

The only poster I have come across that believes in NDEs seems convinced that trickery in this area is an impossiblity. I was unable to assertain why.
I dont believe Jesus appears in NDE's to anyone, at least not in our modern era. I think NDEs apre probably just hallucinations.
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?


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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:41 am
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?


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Yes, there is at least one recorded account in the bible, namely the execution of Steven (Act 7:55, 56).

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:42 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:41 am
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?


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Yes, there is at least one recorded account in the bible, namely the execution of Steven.

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Well, if one is to mistakenly take the bible as accurate in all its reports that dude actually died. He had a TDE right?


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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:46 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:42 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:41 am
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?


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Yes, there is at least one recorded account in the bible, namely the execution of Steven.

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Well, if one is to mistakenly take the bible as accurate in all its reports that dude actually died. He had a TDE right?


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I do believe I said yes to your question.
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:41 am
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?
NOTE : I understood "think" to be synonym of "believe" in this circumstance. Do correct me if I misunderstood (in the absence of any correction on your part, the question will be taken as an inquirey as to my personal belief even thougy we are in the Christianity and Apologetics subforum )



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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:48 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:46 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:42 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:41 am
So, do you think there was a time when Jesus did appear to NDEers?


Tcg
Yes, there is at least one recorded account in the bible, namely the execution of Steven.

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Well, if one is to mistakenly take the bible as accurate in all its reports that dude actually died. He had a TDE right?


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Was there a part of the word "yes" you are having trouble understanding?
Oh, I understand the word "yes." Do you not understand that the letter "N" in the acronym NDE stands for "Near?" Did Stephen according to the unsupportable account die or nearly die?


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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:54 am

Oh, I understand the word "yes." Do you not understand that the letter "N" in the acronym NDE stands for "Near?" Did Stephen according to the unsupportable account die or nearly die?


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Well I understand Near as in a vision near death (regardless of the outcome) ie seen when the person was near to death. If the outcome has to be death to qualify as a NDE ....then no I don't believe in NEAR death experiences, they are all in my opinion hallucinations or demonic encounters.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:59 am
Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 8:54 am

Oh, I understand the word "yes." Do you not understand that the letter "N" in the acronym NDE stands for "Near?" Did Stephen according to the unsupportable account die or nearly die?


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Well I understand Near as in a vision near death (regardless of the outcome) ie seen when the person was near to death. If the outcome has to be death to qualify as a NDE ....then no I don't believe in NEAR death experiences, they are all in my opinion hallucinations or demonic encounters.


My bad,


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Of course, the outcome of an NDE doesn't have to be death. Have you forgotten yet again what the "N" stands for? As far as demons, present evidence these things exist. Bet you can't.


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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:05 am

Of course, the outcome of an NDE doesn't have to be death. Have you forgotten yet again what the "N" stands for?
  • Okay well if one can have a near death experience and actually DIE afterwards, (and it STILL qualifies as a "NDE") then yes, I do believe Steven saw a vision of Jesus in a Near death Experience (when he was near to death) and after his "NDE", he died.
  • If however one has to survive a near death experience for it to qualify as such, then no I dont believe anyone ever saw Jesus in a NDE.

I don't believe anyone has seen Jesus in our modern era ... "near death" or not.



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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:09 am

I don't believe anyone has seen Jesus in our modern era ... "near death" or not.


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Right. As if the modern era has somehow changed Jesus' abilities to appear.

Of course, maybe you're right. Perhaps Jesus has lost his ability to appear.


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Tcg wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:30 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Aug 30, 2022 9:09 am

I don't believe anyone has seen Jesus in our modern era ... "near death" or not.


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Right. As if the modern era has somehow changed Jesus' abilities to appear.


No I dont believe it is a question of {to quote you} "ability" but rather I believe that the purpose of such miraculous manifestations has been fulfilled and they are no longer necessary.


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