WHO ARE THE ELECT?

[Eddie Ramos]

There seems to be much confusion among those who hold to a free will doctrine, as to who exactly the elect are. It's not as though this word doesn't appear in the scriptures, because it does, many times. And this word is just as important as every other word in the Bible to help us arrive at correct doctrine. For example, when we look up the word "elect" (eklektos) we discover that it's also translated as "chosen". And this word is used in contexts that speak of choosing a particular person or people. But when it comes to salvation, God uses this word to speak of those whom he has justified by his own blood in the person of Christ.

Regarding the gospel call:
Matthew 20:16 (KJV 1900)
16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen (eklektos).

Regarding the great tribulation:
Matthew 24:22 (KJV 1900)
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s (eklektos) sake those days shall be shortened.

Matthew 24:29–31 (KJV 1900)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect (eklektos) from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Regarding Christ:
Luke 23:35 (KJV 1900)
35 And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen (eklektos) of God.

Regarding God's salvation plan:
Romans 8:29–34 (KJV 1900)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect (eklektos)? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In regards to salvation, the elect are therefore those who have been chosen (elect) of God. In other words, they didn't choose God, God chose them. And knowing who the elect are, helps us to better understand the error of the free will doctrine that teaches that anyone could have chosen to become one of those whom God chose to save.

John 15:16 (KJV 1900)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

[myth-one.com]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

[Eddie Ramos]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

You are assuming that "whosoever believeth" means that anyone can believe. And that is incorrect because it doesn't harmonize with the scriptures as a whole. How do you harmonize John 3:16 with John 1:12-13?

John 1:12-13 (KJV) 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born (meaning born again), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

You believe that John 3:16 means that anyone can of their own will believe and be saved, yet here it says the opposite. It says that those who have received Christ, did so, not by their own will, but by God's will.

James 1:18 (KJV) 18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 3:16 therefore is speaking of the "whosoever believeth" as those who were born again (begat) by the will of God and not by our own will.

I await your reply to my one question in this post before you change subjects and ignore the scriptures. Else there's no point in continuing. Thanks.

[Miles]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

As Eddie Ramos has pointed out, "elect" is the English word for the Greek "eklektos."

AND

Eklektos
Greek to English Meaning :: chosen. Chosen : εκλεκτός
Source: greek.english-dictionary.
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The Greek term "eklektos" is a participle of the verb "eklegomai" which can be used as a noun (i.e. elect)
or as an adjective that means "picked out" or "chosen" by someone.
source
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Eklektos
Original Word: eklektoß
Transliterated Word: Eklektos
Definition: picked out, chosen
source

So there's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN.

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[Eddie Ramos]

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.


The "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

As Eddie Ramos has pointed out, "elect" is the English word for the Greek "eklektos."

AND

Eklektos
Greek to English Meaning :: chosen. Chosen : εκλεκτός
Source: greek.english-dictionary.
____________________________

The Greek term "eklektos" is a participle of the verb "eklegomai" which can be used as a noun (i.e. elect)
or as an adjective that means "picked out" or "chosen" by someone.
source
___________________________

Eklektos
Original Word: eklektoß
Transliterated Word: Eklektos
Definition: picked out, chosen
source

So there's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN.

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That's correct. This places salvation in God's full control, just as the scriptures declared all along.

Lamentations 3:26 (KJV)
26 It is good that a man should both hope and quietly wait for the salvation of the LORD.

Matthew 19:25-26 (KJV) 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Acts 13:48 (KJV) 48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

This also makes salvation equal all across the board for everyone. For men, women, children, mentally handicapped, infants, fetuses, etc. And we don't have to invent false doctrines, such as an "age of accountability " to which no one seems to have a clue as to what that age is. That's because it's false.

Romans 9:11-13 (KJV) 11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;) 12 -- It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[1213]

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Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

Those who are righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

[myth-one.com]

The elect are those who choose to believe in Jesus as their Saviour from the wages of their sins:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So the "elect" are "whosoever believeth!"

As Eddie Ramos has pointed out, "elect" is the English word for the Greek "eklektos."

Good for Eddie. I appreciate that.

So there's a far larger qualification that has to be met than just "choosing to believe in Jesus as their Saviour" One has to be CHOSEN.

Nope, that's the one thing which one must do to become an heir unto everlasting life.

Election in Christianity involves God choosing a particular person or group of people to a particular task or relationship, especially eternal life.

The group which God chooses to gain everlasting life are those that believeth in Jesus as their Savior.

If you pick the most despicable, hated, vulgar, obnoxious human to ever live, and he or she accepts and believes in Jesus as their Savior, then God cannot possibly refuse everlasting life to that individual -- even if He wanted to. Adolf Hitler could gain everlasting life by believing in Jesus.

God is tied to His covenants and must abide by them because He cannot lie.

The elect are "whosoever believeth."

[Brightfame52]

eddie ramos

when we look up the word "elect" (eklektos) we discover that it's also translated as "chosen". And this word is used in contexts that speak of choosing a particular person or people. But when it comes to salvation, God uses this word to speak of those whom he has justified by his own blood in the person of Christ.

So far I agree with this !

Regarding God's salvation plan:

Romans 8:29–34 (KJV 1900)
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect (eklektos)? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

Agreed but I prefer purpose instead of plan

In regards to salvation, the elect are therefore those who have been chosen (elect) of God. In other words, they didn't choose God, God chose them. And knowing who the elect are, helps us to better understand the error of the free will doctrine that teaches that anyone could have chosen to become one of those whom God chose to save.

John 15:16 (KJV 1900)
16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

Yes we must be chosen for Salvation by God and not choose God for Salvation which is impossible 2 Thess 2:13,14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Who do you think, according to the scriptures, the elect are?

Those who in time will be sanctified by the Spirit and brought to a saving knowledge of the Truth of the Gospel !

[Brightfame52]

eddie ramos

You are assuming that "whosoever believeth" means that anyone can believe. And that is incorrect because it doesn't harmonize with the scriptures as a whole. How do you harmonize John 3:16 with John 1:12-13?

John 1:12-13 (KJV) 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born (meaning born again), not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Yes indeed, men must be and are born of God in order to believe. Thats the order in 2 Thess 2:13 sanctification of the Spirit is nothing less than the New Birth and its properties, leading to the belief of the Truth as a result of the call of the Gospel.

Also 1 Jn 5:1

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

The words " is born of God" are in the perfect tense, having in the past been born of God resulting in believing in the present. The ones believing in Christ , the Truth about Christ, the True Christ and not a phoney false christ, give evidence of having been born of God. Believing and Loving our brethren are the fruit and not the cause of Salvation ! Jn 1:12-13 is a solid reference of the same !

[Brightfame52]

eddie ram

This also makes salvation equal all across the board for everyone. For men, women, children, mentally handicapped, infants, fetuses, etc.

Could you elaborate a little on this statement please ?