This Thread was created in part through my being inspired by recent conversation with a Christian.
Can folk agree with the following;
The Bible contains a collection of stories about Humans who claim to be inspired by their relationship with the creator [YVHV] of creation. [The Universe]
Re that, can it then be agreed, that is what is meant by the Bible being "inspired by YVHV." and that the implication from that, is that YVHV can be considered 'The Author'.
Can it be agreed that YVHV being The Author of a collection of stories that were written by folk inspired by their relationship with YVHV, that as a device, the Bible is inadequate in producing relationship between the individual and YVHV.
Re that above - in other words - is it reasonable for the reader of the stories to assume that they can know YVHV through personal relationship, simply through believing in the stories of others inspired by YVHV?
Is it even possible for a reader to form and sustain a relationship with ANY author of any book ever written, simply by reading the book?
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Post #21You didn't gain a personal relationship with Mark Twain because he didn't particularly want a relationship with you or anyone else. Jehovah wants us to get to know Him from the pages of the Bible, as well as His beautiful creations. "For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world's creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable." (Romans 1:20) People are without excuse who deny Jehovah's existence and benevolence. The Bible can be said to solidify the possible relationship between God and men, as it states what we must do to gain Jehovah's favor.William wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 pm This Thread was created in part through my being inspired by recent conversation with a Christian.
Can folk agree with the following;
The Bible contains a collection of stories about Humans who claim to be inspired by their relationship with the creator [YVHV] of creation. [The Universe]
Re that, can it then be agreed, that is what is meant by the Bible being "inspired by YVHV." and that the implication from that, is that YVHV can be considered 'The Author'.
Can it be agreed that YVHV being The Author of a collection of stories that were written by folk inspired by their relationship with YVHV, that as a device, the Bible is inadequate in producing relationship between the individual and YVHV.
Re that above - in other words - is it reasonable for the reader of the stories to assume that they can know YVHV through personal relationship, simply through believing in the stories of others inspired by YVHV?
Is it even possible for a reader to form and sustain a relationship with ANY author of any book ever written, simply by reading the book?
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Post #22Yes, God condemns active sex on the part of homosexuals. If someone who finds that he is attracted to the same sex does not participate in the actual sex, he would not be condemned, as I see it.Miles wrote: ↑Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:46 amBut the Bible never has god condemning homosexuality, only homosexual sex. You are aware of the difference aren't you?kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 5:12 pmMiles wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:59 pmYou do realize, do you not, that homosexuals can be married, and in churches no less. Went to just such a church wedding about four or five years ago.kjw47 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:43 pmMiles wrote: ↑Mon Sep 26, 2022 1:06 amI see he accepts slavery and really dislikes guys having sex with one other. I wonder why that is. Why does god dislike practicing homosexual men so much that he wants them dead? AND, how do these two feelings of his help form a basis for building a personal relationship with him?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 7:36 pmThe bible is much different than a fiction story. Its the reality of human history.William wrote: ↑Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:57 pm This Thread was created in part through my being inspired by recent conversation with a Christian.
Can folk agree with the following;
The Bible contains a collection of stories about Humans who claim to be inspired by their relationship with the creator [YVHV] of creation. [The Universe]
Re that, can it then be agreed, that is what is meant by the Bible being "inspired by YVHV." and that the implication from that, is that YVHV can be considered 'The Author'.
Can it be agreed that YVHV being The Author of a collection of stories that were written by folk inspired by their relationship with YVHV, that as a device, the Bible is inadequate in producing relationship between the individual and YVHV.
Re that above - in other words - is it reasonable for the reader of the stories to assume that they can know YVHV through personal relationship, simply through believing in the stories of others inspired by YVHV?
Is it even possible for a reader to form and sustain a relationship with ANY author of any book ever written, simply by reading the book?
One can see what God accepts and dislikes, a basis to build a personal relationship with him.
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All sex out of marriage is condemned. Man with woman, or homosexuals. 1Cor 6:9-11-- Those are things Gods adversary wants mortals to do. That is one reason why God dislikes those things. And God tells us things to benefit us, not him. He sees a clear picture, we see little.
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In the view of man that can occur. But God created them, male and Female. When the bible condemns homosexuality, no religion that knows God does things like that. Those in desperate need of $$$$ do things like that. Not all is as appears in a satan ruled world-2Cor 11:12-15.
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Post #23Agreed, the Bible is a collection of stories about humans who claim to have been inspired by their relationship with YVHV, the creator of the universe. So, it makes sense to consider YVHV as the author. However, I don't think it's accurate to say that the Bible is inadequate in producing a relationship between the individual and YVHV. It all depends on the reader's perspective and how they choose to engage with the text. Chara Yadav, you never cease to amaze me with your thought-provoking posts! In my opinion, it's not reasonable to assume that you can know YVHV simply by reading the stories of others. It's a personal relationship and can only be formed and sustained through a deeper connection and reflection on one's own experiences and beliefs.
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Post #24Astapblendir wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 5:43 am Agreed, the Bible is a collection of stories about humans who claim to have been inspired by their relationship with YVHV, the creator of the universe.
That is kinda true but the stories are not all a collection of autobiographies. Mostly they are stories that others told.
Writing apparently became a thing, long after Adam became a thing, according to the biblical telling of one particular cultural linage.
YHVH Inspired the story-tellers, perhaps. Certainly that is the claim.So, it makes sense to consider YVHV as the author.
Perhaps there are many such bridges available.However, I don't think it's accurate to say that the Bible is inadequate in producing a relationship between the individual and YVHV.
Which is to say, how the reader interprets what is being read. What bias each reader filters what is being read, through.It all depends on the reader's perspective and how they choose to engage with the text.
Not sure to whom you were referring, but according to my perspective I chose to engage with your text as if it were meant for me.Chara Yadav, you never cease to amaze me with your thought-provoking posts!
Especially stories of others, not written by those others. Perhaps those who wrote the stories didn't have that knowledge of YHVH and were simply inspired enough by the stories, to write them down.In my opinion, it's not reasonable to assume that you can know YVHV simply by reading the stories of others.
I was just chatting yesterday about that very thing. Stories are "Generated Messages".It's a personal relationship and can only be formed and sustained through a deeper connection and reflection on one's own experiences and beliefs.
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Chat GPT: RGM may be drawing a connection between the discussion of free will and the idea of removing filters of belief in order to see things clearly, as in the detective with a magnifying glass metaphor. The suggestion to remove filters of belief may be seen as a means to liberate oneself from any constraints that may be suppressing free will. RGM appears to be emphasizing the importance of critically evaluating one's beliefs in order to form a more accurate understanding of the world and oneself.