Daniel 7:13-15
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Daniel 7:13-15
Post #1The ancient of days( God) appoints someone like a son of man to a kingship= Jesus. So i believe that statement-someone like a son of man means--a created being was appointed to a kingship. Do you think it means something else?
Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #2[Replying to kjw47 in post #1]
It certainly doesn't mean the Son was 'created'.
(Daniel 7:13-14) "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven...And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom...."
It does mean that God the Father is giving to the Son, Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God to rule over the whole earth at an appointed time.
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It certainly doesn't mean the Son was 'created'.
(Daniel 7:13-14) "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven...And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom...."
It does mean that God the Father is giving to the Son, Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God to rule over the whole earth at an appointed time.
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #3RIP wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 5:38 am [Replying to kjw47 in post #1]
It certainly doesn't mean the Son was 'created'.
(Daniel 7:13-14) "I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven...And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom...."
It does mean that God the Father is giving to the Son, Jesus Christ, the Kingdom of God to rule over the whole earth at an appointed time.
Rip
One like the son of man= acreated being-He tells all he was created at Proverbs 8. He is Gods master worker= the one whom God created all other things through. Jesus is-the FIRSTBORN of all creation-Coll1:15
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #5I never open those things.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:27 pmhttps://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... ke-son-man
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #6It contains someone's answer to your question. If you're not going to look at an answer, why ask?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:57 pmI never open those things.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:27 pmhttps://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... ke-son-man
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Post #7[Replying to kjw47 in post #3]
No. 'one like the Son of man' in (Dan. 7:13) does not prove the Son was created.
And, why do you not give the verses in (Pro. 8) that you say prove the Son was created? Answer: Becaue there are none.
Jesus being the 'First born of all creation' in (Col. 1:15-19) doesn't mean the Son was created.
The Son always existed with the Father eternally as God. The Son was born into the human race at a certain time and became the Man we know as Jesus Christ. The Son as a Man had a beginning. But the Son always existed eternally as God the Son.
(Is. 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given"
The Son was not born. The Son was given. The Son as Man was born.
In other words: the Son was never created.
Rip
No. 'one like the Son of man' in (Dan. 7:13) does not prove the Son was created.
And, why do you not give the verses in (Pro. 8) that you say prove the Son was created? Answer: Becaue there are none.
Jesus being the 'First born of all creation' in (Col. 1:15-19) doesn't mean the Son was created.
The Son always existed with the Father eternally as God. The Son was born into the human race at a certain time and became the Man we know as Jesus Christ. The Son as a Man had a beginning. But the Son always existed eternally as God the Son.
(Is. 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given"
The Son was not born. The Son was given. The Son as Man was born.
In other words: the Son was never created.
Rip
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #8[Replying to RIP in post #7
https://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... r-to-jesus(Is. 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given"
The Son was not born. The Son was given. The Son as Man was born.
In other words: the Son was never created.
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #9Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 7:42 pmIt contains someone's answer to your question. If you're not going to look at an answer, why ask?kjw47 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:57 pmI never open those things.Athetotheist wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 6:27 pmhttps://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/ar ... ke-son-man
I asked for an answer, not ever to be sent in to one of those. Sorry.
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Re: Daniel 7:13-15
Post #10Fact--The one who was beside God during creation= Gods master worker.( the one whom God created all other things through) He assures all in Prov 8 he was created.RIP wrote: ↑Sun Oct 30, 2022 8:24 pm [Replying to kjw47 in post #3]
No. 'one like the Son of man' in (Dan. 7:13) does not prove the Son was created.
And, why do you not give the verses in (Pro. 8) that you say prove the Son was created? Answer: Becaue there are none.
Jesus being the 'First born of all creation' in (Col. 1:15-19) doesn't mean the Son was created.
The Son always existed with the Father eternally as God. The Son was born into the human race at a certain time and became the Man we know as Jesus Christ. The Son as a Man had a beginning. But the Son always existed eternally as God the Son.
(Is. 9:6) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given"
The Son was not born. The Son was given. The Son as Man was born.
In other words: the Son was never created.
Rip
All creation occurred at the beginning, Jesus is the firstborn of those events.
