Free will of God and free will of soul what is the difference?

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Free will of God and free will of soul what is the difference?

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In the following: Horse is God, donkey is human beings!

[This entire universe including human beings is only a dream of God. God is the only reality and He granted His absolute reality to the universe for deriving entertainment from it. Inherently this universe is unreal with respect to God, who is the absolute reality. This entire creation borrowed the reality from God so that God can have real entertaiment from the universe]

A horse and a donkey tied side by side cannot bring equality between these two. The horse is horse and the donkey is donkey. You can compare a horse with another horse, but in this case, there is only one horse. Donkeys are several and you can compare one donkey with another donkey. How can you compare a single horse with all other donkeys when a second horse is not available? Comparison must be always between two similar animals and not between two dissimilar animals.

When the horse is alone and is the absolute truth, what is the significance of free will in the case of the horse. Free will is appreciated by donkeys because they were tied already without any freedom. Then they were given a little free will by just losening the rope to a little extent.

The horse is not tied at all and it has no question of a relative free will, which depends on the reference of previous full binding with the rope. One need not say that the horse has freedom because the horse was never tied. All the donkeys are just the relative realities or the shadows of the will of that horse. In the angle of this analysis of absolute reality and relative reality, the end result is that the horse alone is the ultimate truth and the donkeys are inherently non-existent.

The horse wanted some entertainment and created these donkeys donating its absolute reality to them and making them equally real. The donkeys have become equally real, no doubt, but the absolute reality of all these donkeys can be withdrawn by the horse at any time and in such a case, all these donkeys disappear.

You must understand the purpose of entertainment of this single unique horse having various fascinating modes of entertainment. The horse also wants to play a role in which it is defeated by the donkey because the horse is bored with its continuous success in fighting with the donkeys.

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sridatta wrote: Sat Oct 22, 2022 8:38 pm In the following: Horse is God, donkey is human beings!

[This entire universe including human beings is only a dream of God. God is the only reality and He granted His absolute reality to the universe for deriving entertainment from it. Inherently this universe is unreal with respect to God, who is the absolute reality. This entire creation borrowed the reality from God so that God can have real entertaiment from the universe]

A horse and a donkey tied side by side cannot bring equality between these two. The horse is horse and the donkey is donkey. You can compare a horse with another horse, but in this case, there is only one horse. Donkeys are several and you can compare one donkey with another donkey. How can you compare a single horse with all other donkeys when a second horse is not available? Comparison must be always between two similar animals and not between two dissimilar animals.

When the horse is alone and is the absolute truth, what is the significance of free will in the case of the horse. Free will is appreciated by donkeys because they were tied already without any freedom. Then they were given a little free will by just losening the rope to a little extent.

The horse is not tied at all and it has no question of a relative free will, which depends on the reference of previous full binding with the rope. One need not say that the horse has freedom because the horse was never tied. All the donkeys are just the relative realities or the shadows of the will of that horse. In the angle of this analysis of absolute reality and relative reality, the end result is that the horse alone is the ultimate truth and the donkeys are inherently non-existent.

The horse wanted some entertainment and created these donkeys donating its absolute reality to them and making them equally real. The donkeys have become equally real, no doubt, but the absolute reality of all these donkeys can be withdrawn by the horse at any time and in such a case, all these donkeys disappear.

You must understand the purpose of entertainment of this single unique horse having various fascinating modes of entertainment. The horse also wants to play a role in which it is defeated by the donkey because the horse is bored with its continuous success in fighting with the donkeys.
Name one thing, anything, you can
speak, think, smell, feel, hear, or do
that is not determined by anything else
other than just you?

If you can do this then you have free will.
If not then you do not have a free will.

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OneWay wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:48 pm Name one thing, anything, you can
speak, think, smell, feel, hear, or do
that is not determined by anything else
other than just you?

If you can do this then you have free will.
If not then you do not have a free will.
This world is called as karma loka (world of actions), which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality. You can change your destiny by your will and effort as said by Swami Vivekananda. Gita also says that God is not interfering in any activity or fruit of the deeds of any human being and some people think otherwise due to their ignorance (Naadatte ...).

The upper worlds are called as bhoga lokas in which you are enjoying the deeds of your fruits and you will not have any freedom there. When you come back to this earth, you take birth in a specific family with certain set of conditions and your such birth is the end of bhoga loka or the last fruit enjoyed by you in the name ‘Prarabdha’.

Of course, the balance of your deeds in the form of a set of qualities (samskara or vasana) accompany you in the name ‘Sanchita’ from the upper world and influences you in the activities of your life here. Such sanchita is not the will of God, but the balance of your will only after coming from upper world.

All the deeds done by you on this earth influenced by your own set of qualities (Sanchita) form the basis for the future fruits in the upper world in the name ‘Aagami’. Thus, you are determined by your own inner qualities, which are called as destiny. These qualities are in the phase of knowledge only and hence, can be rectified by the right knowledge received from a right preacher. Thus, you can change your destiny with the help of the right knowledge and hence, you have the full freedom here.

Never say that everything happens as per will of God. It is true, but, the direction of everything is as per your will only, which decides the fruit. Freedom is given to soul to decide the direction of any action.
Hence, you are responsible for everything as I am not responsible for any fruit attained by you. You should not throw responsibility on the cycle of deeds (karma) also. Your past balance (Sanchita) is put in the closed cover. The reason for the present birth (Praarabdha) is exhausted after giving this birth.

The fruits of present deeds to be enjoyed by you in the future (Aagaami) are entered in a list, which is also kept in another closed cover. No form of the deed (karma) is interfering with you in your present life.

You are existing in full free state in this world to receive the spiritual knowledge and reform your soul without any disturbance from any external factor. This is the golden opportunity given to you to change your destiny in the state of full freedom. You are responsible for your future uplift or fall.

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sridatta wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:24 pm
OneWay wrote: Sun Nov 13, 2022 5:48 pm Name one thing, anything, you can
speak, think, smell, feel, hear, or do
that is not determined by anything else
other than just you?

If you can do this then you have free will.
If not then you do not have a free will.
This world is called as karma loka (world of actions), which means that nothing is predetermined and you have free will in complete reality. You can change your destiny by your will and effort as said by Swami Vivekananda. Gita also says that God is not interfering in any activity or fruit of the deeds of any human being and some people think otherwise due to their ignorance (Naadatte ...).

The upper worlds are called as bhoga lokas in which you are enjoying the deeds of your fruits and you will not have any freedom there. When you come back to this earth, you take birth in a specific family with certain set of conditions and your such birth is the end of bhoga loka or the last fruit enjoyed by you in the name ‘Prarabdha’.

Of course, the balance of your deeds in the form of a set of qualities (samskara or vasana) accompany you in the name ‘Sanchita’ from the upper world and influences you in the activities of your life here. Such sanchita is not the will of God, but the balance of your will only after coming from upper world.

All the deeds done by you on this earth influenced by your own set of qualities (Sanchita) form the basis for the future fruits in the upper world in the name ‘Aagami’. Thus, you are determined by your own inner qualities, which are called as destiny. These qualities are in the phase of knowledge only and hence, can be rectified by the right knowledge received from a right preacher. Thus, you can change your destiny with the help of the right knowledge and hence, you have the full freedom here.

Never say that everything happens as per will of God. It is true, but, the direction of everything is as per your will only, which decides the fruit. Freedom is given to soul to decide the direction of any action.
Hence, you are responsible for everything as I am not responsible for any fruit attained by you. You should not throw responsibility on the cycle of deeds (karma) also. Your past balance (Sanchita) is put in the closed cover. The reason for the present birth (Praarabdha) is exhausted after giving this birth.

The fruits of present deeds to be enjoyed by you in the future (Aagaami) are entered in a list, which is also kept in another closed cover. No form of the deed (karma) is interfering with you in your present life.

You are existing in full free state in this world to receive the spiritual knowledge and reform your soul without any disturbance from any external factor. This is the golden opportunity given to you to change your destiny in the state of full freedom. You are responsible for your future uplift or fall.
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Name one thing, anything, you can
speak, think, smell, feel, hear, or do
that is not determined by anything else
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