The scripture says that the fruit of the deed must be enjoyed by a soul and that, unless the fruit is enjoyed, it will not vanish even after millions of births (Avaśyamanubhoktavyam…, kalpakotiśatairapi...).
God has clearly said in the Gītā that He will neither cancel the good fruits nor the bad fruits of the deeds of any soul (Nādatte kasyachitpāpaṃ, nacaiva sukṛtaṃ vibhuḥ...). He also said in the Gītā that ignorant people claim otherwise and exploit innocent public (Ajñānenāvṛtaṃ jñānaṃ, tena muhyanti jantavaḥ…).
God has given only one path to burn the fruits of sins, which is the realization by spiritual knowledge leading to repentance and the non-repetition of the sin (Jñāngniḥ sarva karmāṇi, bhasmasāt kurute…). Even a sinner can be reformed by long serious and sincere devotion. By the grace of God, such a sinner being a strong devotee will come in contact with a divine preacher and get reformed (Kṣipraṃ bhavati dharmātmā…).
In this way, in the long run, there is a possibility of burning one’s sins. But it is not possible immediately, without the person’s reformation. The false theory of the immediate cancellation of sins is propagated by the priests so that they can earn their livelihood. They charge fees from innocent people to carry out different forms of worship, which are claimed to cancel the fruits of their sins immediately, even without their reformation.
No reformation is possible by reading some hymns in Sanskrit, which are not understood by anybody doing the worship. The actual way is that while doing the worship, the priest must explain to the person what he is reciting and help the person get realization through the spiritual knowledge preached through the Sanskrit hymns. The present way of performing the rituals accompanied by the blind recitation of the Veda does not help the person doing worship in any way.
Therefore, if a ritual is not helping in conveying spiritual knowledge and devotion to the public, it is a waste. This important fact should be preached to the priests who conduct these rituals for the public. Only upon getting realization through spiritual knowledge, will there be repentance and only after repentance, will the non-repetition of sin result. Hence, preaching spiritual knowledge through the ritual is the most important aspect of the ritual. You think that God will be pleased with your ritual worship done without spiritual knowledge. You think that He will cancel the fruits of the sins done by you and that He will grant you the good fruits of the meritorious deeds that you never did.
This is totally wrong! For such worship and prayers done by you, He will only rearrange the fruits of your deeds. He will postpone the fruits of your sins due to which you are suffering in the present. But in this rearrangement, interest will be added. So, the postponed punishment, which is the fruit of your sin, will grow and you will have to suffer more in the future.
He will also prepone the fruits of some meritorious deeds, which you were supposed to enjoy in the future and bring them into the present. In this preponement, there will be a reduction in the value of the fruit enjoyed by you. Even this rearrangement is done by God provided God has some hope about the devotee’s future reformation. If He has no such hope in the case of a devotee, even this facility or rearrangement of the fruits of deeds is not extended to the devotee.
How to cancel my past sins?
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Re: How to cancel my past sins?
Post #2It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins
This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins
This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
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Post #31. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging
All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
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Post #4That's why Pascal's Wager is incomplete but the Purple Wager (upgraded version, brought to you from the mind of egomaniac genius Purple Knight) actually works.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pmAll these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
The upgrade is where you split the possibilities of unfair god from fair god.
If a god is unfair and wants you to mug kittens, there's nothing you can do about this so the best option is to disregard this possibility. Such a god is unfair. This means he may just punish you anyway, even if you mug kittens as he wishes you to. He also may not make his wishes known. He may make it an unwinnable game, or a gameshow, here meaning you have to guess to get the prize. In such a system one guess is as good as another, so in the possibility of an unfair god, you are as well off just being a good person anyway as you are mugging kittens.
If a god is fair, he may very well punish actual evil, but he doesn't set up gameshows and expect you to guess that his real self and dictates are behind door# Bible or door# Koran or Door# atheism, or that his real name is Rumpelstiltskin and you've guessed the wrong name wrong so no salvation for you. That would be unfair. What can a fair god expect if he never asked a thing of you? Well since you bloody well know the difference he can expect you to just be a good person. So just be a good person if this possibility is true and you win.
The Purple Wager reduces to deism. God doesn't directly interfere. Just be a good person. You can't do anything about what an unfair god wants so ignore him. Don't ignore a fair god, but since he's fair and he never asked you to bow, you don't need to. The absolute worst (here meaning most religious) thing you may have to do is ask yourself honestly if you feel like some greater power is trying to tell you something. But that doesn't come with any of religion's filthy trappings.
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Post #61Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm1. Rock & Roll
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All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
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Post #7Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm1. Rock & Roll
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4. Kitten mugging
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Post #8JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pmNow your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging
All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
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Post #9You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pmJoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pmNow your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging
All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
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Post #10An assertion alone doesn't establish truth.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pmJoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pmNow your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.kjw47 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging
All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
Why should I trust some ancient preacher?
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