How to cancel my past sins?

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How to cancel my past sins?

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The scripture says that the fruit of the deed must be enjoyed by a soul and that, unless the fruit is enjoyed, it will not vanish even after millions of births (Avaśyamanubhoktavyam…, kalpakotiśatairapi...).

God has clearly said in the Gītā that He will neither cancel the good fruits nor the bad fruits of the deeds of any soul (Nādatte kasyachitpāpaṃ, nacaiva sukṛtaṃ vibhuḥ...). He also said in the Gītā that ignorant people claim otherwise and exploit innocent public (Ajñānenāvṛtaṃ jñānaṃ, tena muhyanti jantavaḥ…).

God has given only one path to burn the fruits of sins, which is the realization by spiritual knowledge leading to repentance and the non-repetition of the sin (Jñāngniḥ sarva karmāṇi, bhasmasāt kurute…). Even a sinner can be reformed by long serious and sincere devotion. By the grace of God, such a sinner being a strong devotee will come in contact with a divine preacher and get reformed (Kṣipraṃ bhavati dharmātmā…).

In this way, in the long run, there is a possibility of burning one’s sins. But it is not possible immediately, without the person’s reformation. The false theory of the immediate cancellation of sins is propagated by the priests so that they can earn their livelihood. They charge fees from innocent people to carry out different forms of worship, which are claimed to cancel the fruits of their sins immediately, even without their reformation.

No reformation is possible by reading some hymns in Sanskrit, which are not understood by anybody doing the worship. The actual way is that while doing the worship, the priest must explain to the person what he is reciting and help the person get realization through the spiritual knowledge preached through the Sanskrit hymns. The present way of performing the rituals accompanied by the blind recitation of the Veda does not help the person doing worship in any way.

Therefore, if a ritual is not helping in conveying spiritual knowledge and devotion to the public, it is a waste. This important fact should be preached to the priests who conduct these rituals for the public. Only upon getting realization through spiritual knowledge, will there be repentance and only after repentance, will the non-repetition of sin result. Hence, preaching spiritual knowledge through the ritual is the most important aspect of the ritual. You think that God will be pleased with your ritual worship done without spiritual knowledge. You think that He will cancel the fruits of the sins done by you and that He will grant you the good fruits of the meritorious deeds that you never did.

This is totally wrong! For such worship and prayers done by you, He will only rearrange the fruits of your deeds. He will postpone the fruits of your sins due to which you are suffering in the present. But in this rearrangement, interest will be added. So, the postponed punishment, which is the fruit of your sin, will grow and you will have to suffer more in the future.

He will also prepone the fruits of some meritorious deeds, which you were supposed to enjoy in the future and bring them into the present. In this preponement, there will be a reduction in the value of the fruit enjoyed by you. Even this rearrangement is done by God provided God has some hope about the devotee’s future reformation. If He has no such hope in the case of a devotee, even this facility or rearrangement of the fruits of deeds is not extended to the devotee.

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Re: How to cancel my past sins?

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Tcg wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm
DJT_47 wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:32 pm It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins

This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging

All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.
Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.

There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.


Tcg

Any who have studied the bible clearly find-99% mislead at every given moment after the fall in Eden. The only possible time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong, but they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day(99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26--so 99% is correct give or take.

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Re: How to cancel my past sins?

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:05 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm
DJT_47 wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:32 pm It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins

This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging

All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.
Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.

There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.


Tcg

Any who have studied the bible clearly find-99% mislead at every given moment after the fall in Eden. The only possible time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong, but they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day(99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26--so 99% is correct give or take.
Additional unsupported claims do not redeem initial unsupported claims. All you've done is add more claims you've failed to support. Doing so does not help your case in any way, in fact it does the opposite.


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Re: How to cancel my past sins?

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Tcg wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:05 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm
DJT_47 wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:32 pm It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins

This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging

All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.
Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.

There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.


Tcg

Any who have studied the bible clearly find-99% mislead at every given moment after the fall in Eden. The only possible time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong, but they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day(99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26--so 99% is correct give or take.
Additional unsupported claims do not redeem initial unsupported claims. All you've done is add more claims you've failed to support. Doing so does not help your case in any way, in fact it does the opposite.


Tcg

Only to one who doesnt know the bible and remains in darkness.

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Re: How to cancel my past sins?

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:45 pm
Tcg wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:05 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm
DJT_47 wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:32 pm It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins

This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging

All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.
Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.

There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.


Tcg

Any who have studied the bible clearly find-99% mislead at every given moment after the fall in Eden. The only possible time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong, but they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day(99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26--so 99% is correct give or take.
Additional unsupported claims do not redeem initial unsupported claims. All you've done is add more claims you've failed to support. Doing so does not help your case in any way, in fact it does the opposite.


Tcg

Only to one who doesnt know the bible and remains in darkness.
I know the bible quite well and am not in darkness. Additionally, your ad hominem does nothing to advance your argument. The only thing that would do that would be the presentation of verifiable evidence. So far, you've offered none.


Tcg
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I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

- Irvin D. Yalom

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Re: How to cancel my past sins?

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Tcg wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:21 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:45 pm
Tcg wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:32 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2023 11:05 am
Tcg wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 11:13 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 8:20 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 6:38 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Feb 16, 2023 5:54 pm
JoeyKnothead wrote: Sun Dec 11, 2022 12:12 pm
DJT_47 wrote: Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:32 pm It's called being saved.
1. Belief and faith
2. Confession of your belief
3. Repentance
4. Baptism, immersion on water, for the forgiveness of your sins

This is the process of being saved which is being saved or freed from your past sins.
1. Rock & Roll
2. Liquor
3. Hedonism
4. Kitten mugging

All these things have an equal probability of absolving our sins when we can't even show a god considers something a sin.
1Cor 6:9-11, Gal 5:19-21-Paul mentions spiritism in Gal-The Greek word = Pharmacia-Drug addiction is apart of that--Both spots teach--Will not inherit Gods kingdom( if one practices one of those unacceptable sins. Unfortunately for this world-those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth.
Now your task becomes showing Paul / the bible is correct in this matter.

There is 0 doubt, it is correct. Jesus himself taught-FEW will find the road that leads off into life( be saved)
You may have zero doubt, that doesn't equate to zero doubt overall amongst the world population. Presenting what you claim Jesus said does not support your fallacious claim of zero doubt. It also does nothing to support your claim of "those 2 lists and all the false God worship = 99% on earth." Sensational unsupported claims do not cut it in a debate subforum. Posters are expected to support their claims with valid and verifiable evidence.


Tcg

Any who have studied the bible clearly find-99% mislead at every given moment after the fall in Eden. The only possible time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong, but they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day(99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26--so 99% is correct give or take.
Additional unsupported claims do not redeem initial unsupported claims. All you've done is add more claims you've failed to support. Doing so does not help your case in any way, in fact it does the opposite.


Tcg

Only to one who doesnt know the bible and remains in darkness.
I know the bible quite well and am not in darkness. Additionally, your ad hominem does nothing to advance your argument. The only thing that would do that would be the presentation of verifiable evidence. So far, you've offered none.


Tcg
God was with one single group in OT=Israel-they fell over and over. Few listened to Jesus while here, then most got murdered and the religion went underground at best and died out until these last days. The son of destruction(peredition)2Thess 2:3) rose up in its place until these last days.-99% mislead throughout the bible and even today.

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sridatta wrote: Thu Oct 27, 2022 9:01 pm The scripture says that the fruit of the deed must be enjoyed by a soul and that, unless the fruit is enjoyed, it will not vanish even after millions of births (Avaśyamanubhoktavyam…, kalpakotiśatairapi...).

God has clearly said in the Gītā that He will neither cancel the good fruits nor the bad fruits of the deeds of any soul (Nādatte kasyachitpāpaṃ, nacaiva sukṛtaṃ vibhuḥ...). He also said in the Gītā that ignorant people claim otherwise and exploit innocent public (Ajñānenāvṛtaṃ jñānaṃ, tena muhyanti jantavaḥ…).

God has given only one path to burn the fruits of sins, which is the realization by spiritual knowledge leading to repentance and the non-repetition of the sin (Jñāngniḥ sarva karmāṇi, bhasmasāt kurute…). Even a sinner can be reformed by long serious and sincere devotion. By the grace of God, such a sinner being a strong devotee will come in contact with a divine preacher and get reformed (Kṣipraṃ bhavati dharmātmā…).

In this way, in the long run, there is a possibility of burning one’s sins. But it is not possible immediately, without the person’s reformation. The false theory of the immediate cancellation of sins is propagated by the priests so that they can earn their livelihood. They charge fees from innocent people to carry out different forms of worship, which are claimed to cancel the fruits of their sins immediately, even without their reformation.

No reformation is possible by reading some hymns in Sanskrit, which are not understood by anybody doing the worship. The actual way is that while doing the worship, the priest must explain to the person what he is reciting and help the person get realization through the spiritual knowledge preached through the Sanskrit hymns. The present way of performing the rituals accompanied by the blind recitation of the Veda does not help the person doing worship in any way.

Therefore, if a ritual is not helping in conveying spiritual knowledge and devotion to the public, it is a waste. This important fact should be preached to the priests who conduct these rituals for the public. Only upon getting realization through spiritual knowledge, will there be repentance and only after repentance, will the non-repetition of sin result. Hence, preaching spiritual knowledge through the ritual is the most important aspect of the ritual. You think that God will be pleased with your ritual worship done without spiritual knowledge. You think that He will cancel the fruits of the sins done by you and that He will grant you the good fruits of the meritorious deeds that you never did.

This is totally wrong! For such worship and prayers done by you, He will only rearrange the fruits of your deeds. He will postpone the fruits of your sins due to which you are suffering in the present. But in this rearrangement, interest will be added. So, the postponed punishment, which is the fruit of your sin, will grow and you will have to suffer more in the future.

He will also prepone the fruits of some meritorious deeds, which you were supposed to enjoy in the future and bring them into the present. In this preponement, there will be a reduction in the value of the fruit enjoyed by you. Even this rearrangement is done by God provided God has some hope about the devotee’s future reformation. If He has no such hope in the case of a devotee, even this facility or rearrangement of the fruits of deeds is not extended to the devotee.
It's very easy to cancel your past sins:

Say, "Klaatu barada nikto"

Then, look in the mirror and say, "Candyman, Candyman, Candyman".
“And do you think that unto such as you
A maggot-minded, starved, fanatic crew
God gave a secret, and denied it me?
Well, well—what matters it? Believe that, too!”
― Omar Khayyâm

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