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Jewish Women In Kentucky File Lawsuit Over Abortion Rights. Cite Christian Bias

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"Three Jewish women in Kentucky have filed a lawsuit arguing that a set of state laws that ban most abortions violate their religious rights.

The lawsuit, filed in Jefferson Circuit Court in Louisville, is the third such suit brought by Jewish organizations or individuals since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the right to an abortion in its ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization. In all three suits — the first in Florida, the second in Indiana — the Jewish plaintiffs claim their state is infringing on their religious freedom by imposing a Christian understanding of when life begins.
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"Judaism has never defined life beginning at conception," the Kentucky suit says, adding that "millennia of commentary from Jewish scholars has reaffirmed Judaism's commitment to reproductive rights."
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"There are a whole patchwork of laws, passed over the last 20 years," said Ben Potash, one of the lawyers who filed the complaint. "They're internally inconsistent and, put together, very vague."

Most Jews believe abortion is allowed and, in some cases, even required.

"Judaism has never defined life beginning at conception," the Kentucky suit says, adding that "millennia of commentary from Jewish scholars has reaffirmed Judaism's commitment to reproductive rights."

The suit, filed Thursday [10/27/22], repurposes a legal tactic successfully used by conservative Christian groups in recent years.
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In June, a Jewish congregation in Florida filed suit arguing the state's 15-week abortion ban — signed into law by Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) — prohibits Jewish women practicing their faith free of government intrusion. In September, a group called Hoosier Jews for Choice sued, claiming, among other things, that the Indiana law banning abortion violated the state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act.

The women in Kentucky claim the abortion ban similarly violates their state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act. That law states that government "shall not substantially burden a person's freedom of religion" unless it proves a compelling interest and uses "the least restrictive means" to do so."
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So, do you think these Jewish women have a point, that the state is infringing on their religious freedom by imposing a Christian understanding of when life begins, on them?

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Miles wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:10 amSo, do you think these Jewish women have a point, that the state is infringing on their religious freedom by imposing a Christian understanding of when life begins, on them?
They do have a point. They would also have the exact same point if they said they were Satanists and that the State unfairly imposes and denies their religious freedom by stopping them from collecting victims to sacrifice to the Devil.

With regard to who has rights, and those rights being protected, religious freedom cannot come into play and trump that. The government must simply tell religiosos to stuff it at some point, and the point that absolutely logically has to happen is societal agreement on who has rights, so the government can protect those rights.

I'm pro-choice but if society determines that a fetus is a person, the government has to protect that from everyone, including people who say their religion allows them to treat it as a non-person. Otherwise why not just found the religion Hitlerism? And kill those three ladies because sorry you're not people my religion says so.

This is why I think the First Amendment is awful. It absolutely lets them have abortions even if they otherwise can't. It also lets them eat the babies after they're born, kill them when they're teenagers, or kill anyone they please.

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Purple Knight wrote: Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:43 pm
Miles wrote: Mon Oct 31, 2022 3:10 amSo, do you think these Jewish women have a point, that the state is infringing on their religious freedom by imposing a Christian understanding of when life begins, on them?
I'm pro-choice but if society determines that a fetus is a person, the government has to protect that from everyone, including people who say their religion allows them to treat it as a non-person.
As it stands SCOTUS has left the determination to each state. Some saying, Go ahead and have your abortion, Others saying, Go to Jail. Hope you're lucky enough to live in a pro-choice state.

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Miles wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:13 am As it stands SCOTUS has left the determination to each state. Some saying, Go ahead and have your abortion, Others saying, Go to Jail. Hope you're lucky enough to live in a pro-choice state.
If a woman seeks to terminate a pregnancy but lives in an anti-abortion State, can she just travel to a nearby State that does allow abortion?
Even poor women could get help to travel for such an operation....no?

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oldbadger wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 am
Miles wrote: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:13 am As it stands SCOTUS has left the determination to each state. Some saying, Go ahead and have your abortion, Others saying, Go to Jail. Hope you're lucky enough to live in a pro-choice state.
If a woman seeks to terminate a pregnancy but lives in an anti-abortion State, can she just travel to a nearby State that does allow abortion?
Even poor women could get help to travel for such an operation....no?
Believe it or not, but some states with anti-abortion laws are seeking ways to prevent just this.

"When the U.S. Supreme Court overruled Roe v. Wade — the five-decade-old decision that protected abortion rights nationally — it created a new legal battlefield.

One of the most vexing issues, legal experts say, is whether states that ban abortions can legally punish women for leaving the state to get an abortion, or punish people who help them secure an out-of-state abortion.

This question is urgent because the justices, by overturning Roe, handed states the power to allow or ban abortion, leaving the procedure available only in a patchwork of states. Now, women who live in states without legal abortion might decide to seek the procedure in a state that permits it.

No state has yet enacted a law to ban this travel. But it has been attempted: In Missouri, a bill is pending that would enforce abortion restrictions through civil lawsuits if the abortion is administered outside the state."
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Miles wrote: Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:06 amBelieve it or not, but some states with anti-abortion laws are seeking ways to prevent just this.
Well they think it's a person, so it doesn't surprise me. I don't think many Americans would be okay with not having such protections against going to a foreign country where women have fewer rights and selling your daughters.

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