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Creation is the ONLY Possible Answer to the Existence of the Universe

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Science has for many years tried to disprove the Biblical Account of Creation Ex Nihilo, as Recorded in the opening Chapter of the Book of Genesis, the Infallible, Inspired, Inerrant Word of Almighty God.

And science has always FAILED in their feeble attempts

One very important fact has, and can never be answered by those who believe in the MYTH known as Evolution:

WHERE did the very first form of life come from? If there is a "Big Bang Theory", then WHAT banged? WHERE did the very first element, atom, or whatever you may call it, come from?

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and Its Teachings, there is no way to explain the MORALITY that exists in this world, like the wrongs of incest, adultery, homosexuality, murder, theft, kidnapping, fornication, etc, etc, which is ONLY to be found in the Holy Bible! No religion in this world, which are all human, ever says these and many other things, are WRONG and SINFUL! All legal systems that exist in this world, that consider these acts as unlawful, do so because of The Holy Bible saying so!

These and others, are essential questions, which "science" can and never answer!

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and the Teachings in the 66 Divinely Inspired Books in the Holy Bible, in the Original, there is NO possible human explanation for this universe that we live in!

Now try and disprove these FACTS!!!

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Athetotheist wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 6:56 pm [Replying to YourWordIsTruth in post #29
Christianity is not a religion but a Faith, in The Living Saviour and Lord Jesus Christ, Who Himself says, "Jesus said to him, “I am THE Way, THE Truth, and THE Life. No one comes to the Father, except through Me" John 14:6. To the exclusion of ALL others!
"Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man.

"No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases. But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it.

"It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.
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---Thomas Paine, "The Age of Reason"
Interesting that you quote Thomas Paine the Unitarian!

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Interesting that you quote Thomas Paine the Unitarian!
Actually, he was a Deist.

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YourWordIsTruth wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:03 am Science has for many years tried to disprove the Biblical Account of Creation Ex Nihilo, as Recorded in the opening Chapter of the Book of Genesis, the Infallible, Inspired, Inerrant Word of Almighty God.

And science has always FAILED in their feeble attempts

One very important fact has, and can never be answered by those who believe in the MYTH known as Evolution:

WHERE did the very first form of life come from? If there is a "Big Bang Theory", then WHAT banged? WHERE did the very first element, atom, or whatever you may call it, come from?

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and Its Teachings, there is no way to explain the MORALITY that exists in this world, like the wrongs of incest, adultery, homosexuality, murder, theft, kidnapping, fornication, etc, etc, which is ONLY to be found in the Holy Bible! No religion in this world, which are all human, ever says these and many other things, are WRONG and SINFUL! All legal systems that exist in this world, that consider these acts as unlawful, do so because of The Holy Bible saying so!

These and others, are essential questions, which "science" can and never answer!

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and the Teachings in the 66 Divinely Inspired Books in the Holy Bible, in the Original, there is NO possible human explanation for this universe that we live in!

Now try and disprove these FACTS!!!
This post is HEREBY AWARDED the Golden Road Apple for dumbest post of the year. The GRA committee is somewhat embarrassed to even acknowledge the existence of such a post. 7 committee members had to take immediate showers and one used hydrogen peroxide to wash out his eyes. He was advised not to, but declared "I'd rather go blind than allow the stench of that [expletive deleted] to remain."

"Science" does not try to "disprove the Bible" and the author of the OP cannot find a single example of this silly claim. Science does not deal with fiction. The committee has decided the remainder of the OP does not deserve comment, except to note that none of the claims listed are "FACTS" and the OP has not supported any of his assertions; the OP has made no factual claims, so there is nothing to "disprove."
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Re: Creation is the ONLY Possible Answer to the Existence of the Universe

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Diogenes wrote: Mon Dec 12, 2022 11:36 pm
YourWordIsTruth wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:03 am Science has for many years tried to disprove the Biblical Account of Creation Ex Nihilo, as Recorded in the opening Chapter of the Book of Genesis, the Infallible, Inspired, Inerrant Word of Almighty God.

And science has always FAILED in their feeble attempts

One very important fact has, and can never be answered by those who believe in the MYTH known as Evolution:

WHERE did the very first form of life come from? If there is a "Big Bang Theory", then WHAT banged? WHERE did the very first element, atom, or whatever you may call it, come from?

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and Its Teachings, there is no way to explain the MORALITY that exists in this world, like the wrongs of incest, adultery, homosexuality, murder, theft, kidnapping, fornication, etc, etc, which is ONLY to be found in the Holy Bible! No religion in this world, which are all human, ever says these and many other things, are WRONG and SINFUL! All legal systems that exist in this world, that consider these acts as unlawful, do so because of The Holy Bible saying so!

These and others, are essential questions, which "science" can and never answer!

Without the God of the Holy Bible, and the Teachings in the 66 Divinely Inspired Books in the Holy Bible, in the Original, there is NO possible human explanation for this universe that we live in!

Now try and disprove these FACTS!!!
This post is HEREBY AWARDED the Golden Road Apple for dumbest post of the year. The GRA committee is somewhat embarrassed to even acknowledge the existence of such a post. 7 committee members had to take immediate showers and one used hydrogen peroxide to wash out his eyes. He was advised not to, but declared "I'd rather go blind than allow the stench of that [expletive deleted] to remain."

"Science" does not try to "disprove the Bible" and the author of the OP cannot find a single example of this silly claim. Science does not deal with fiction. The committee has decided the remainder of the OP does not deserve comment, except to note that none of the claims listed are "FACTS" and the OP has not supported any of his assertions; the OP has made no factual claims, so there is nothing to "disprove."
I see yet another one full of hot air, but actually saying nothing! :)

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I see yet another one full of hot air, but actually saying nothing!
I suspect that some have been thinking the same thing about every post you've been putting up here.

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Athetotheist wrote: Tue Dec 13, 2022 6:22 pm [Replying to YourWordIsTruth in post #34
I see yet another one full of hot air, but actually saying nothing!
I suspect that some have been thinking the same thing about every post you've been putting up here.
Difference is, that no one has been able to refute what I have written!

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YourWordIsTruth wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:03 am WHERE did the very first element, atom, or whatever you may call it, come from?
This is one of most common and most easily answered questions. The universe did not 'come' from anywhere. It has always been. One can just as easily ask, 'Where did God come from?' The answer is from the ignorance of primitive people who could not understand things like lightning, so invented gods like Zeus as an explanation.
Without the God of the Holy Bible, and Its Teachings, there is no way to explain the MORALITY that exists in this world, like the wrongs of incest, adultery, homosexuality, murder, theft, kidnapping, fornication, etc, etc,[sic] which is ONLY to be found in the Holy Bible! No religion in this world, which are all human, ever says these and many other things, are WRONG and SINFUL! All legal systems that exist in this world, that consider these acts as unlawful, do so because of The Holy Bible saying so!
The entire preceding paragraph is baloney that demonstrates profound ignorance.
1st, incest, adultery, murder, theft (kidnapping isn't in the Ten Commandments, but can be inferred) are outlawed in nearly every culture, and were so outlawed long before the Bible was written. They are forbidden in virtually all religions.
The Code of Hammurabi is a Babylonian legal text composed c. 1755–1750 BC. It is the longest, best-organised, and best-preserved legal text from the ancient Near East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi#Laws
The Bible was written much later. Orthodox Jewish tradition claims 1312, BCE, but actually it is much more recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah#Date_of_compilation
2d, fornication and homosexuality are not universally forbidden and have been practiced in every culture and protected in many in ancient times and today.
3d, The Bible also has some pretty stupid laws, like forbidding you to wear clothes made of blended fabrics. Check your wardrobe and Leviticus 19:19

Finally, one needs no religion to explain why laws against theft, adultery, assault, murder, and other major crimes have been outlawed by all cultures for thousands of years. Human society would break down without them. We survived because we learned to cooperate. Even animals have a sense of fairness, a kind of morality.


You would be well advised to review these guidelines: viewtopic.php?t=9741 paying particular attention to:
6. Realize that most participants here are strong debaters and have a vast knowledge of Christianity and the Bible (including non-theists). If you make any claims, be ready to support your claims with evidence if asked. Non-Biblical evidence would go far among non-theists.

You might also recall some words from Jesus of Nazareth, particularly when you write things like
no one has been able to refute what I have written!

The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

You might also consider Matthew Matthew 16:23, where Jesus cautions an overzealous Peter.

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Preaching without humility turns people away from God.
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Diogenes wrote: Wed Dec 14, 2022 12:39 am
YourWordIsTruth wrote: Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:03 am WHERE did the very first element, atom, or whatever you may call it, come from?
This is one of most common and most easily answered questions. The universe did not 'come' from anywhere. It has always been. One can just as easily ask, 'Where did God come from?' The answer is from the ignorance of primitive people who could not understand things like lightning, so invented gods like Zeus as an explanation.
Without the God of the Holy Bible, and Its Teachings, there is no way to explain the MORALITY that exists in this world, like the wrongs of incest, adultery, homosexuality, murder, theft, kidnapping, fornication, etc, etc,[sic] which is ONLY to be found in the Holy Bible! No religion in this world, which are all human, ever says these and many other things, are WRONG and SINFUL! All legal systems that exist in this world, that consider these acts as unlawful, do so because of The Holy Bible saying so!
The entire preceding paragraph is baloney that demonstrates profound ignorance.
1st, incest, adultery, murder, theft (kidnapping isn't in the Ten Commandments, but can be inferred) are outlawed in nearly every culture, and were so outlawed long before the Bible was written. They are forbidden in virtually all religions.
The Code of Hammurabi is a Babylonian legal text composed c. 1755–1750 BC. It is the longest, best-organised, and best-preserved legal text from the ancient Near East.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Hammurabi#Laws
The Bible was written much later. Orthodox Jewish tradition claims 1312, BCE, but actually it is much more recent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah#Date_of_compilation
2d, fornication and homosexuality are not universally forbidden and have been practiced in every culture and protected in many in ancient times and today.
3d, The Bible also has some pretty stupid laws, like forbidding you to wear clothes made of blended fabrics. Check your wardrobe and Leviticus 19:19

Finally, one needs no religion to explain why laws against theft, adultery, assault, murder, and other major crimes have been outlawed by all cultures for thousands of years. Human society would break down without them. We survived because we learned to cooperate. Even animals have a sense of fairness, a kind of morality.


You would be well advised to review these guidelines: viewtopic.php?t=9741 paying particular attention to:
6. Realize that most participants here are strong debaters and have a vast knowledge of Christianity and the Bible (including non-theists). If you make any claims, be ready to support your claims with evidence if asked. Non-Biblical evidence would go far among non-theists.

You might also recall some words from Jesus of Nazareth, particularly when you write things like
no one has been able to refute what I have written!

The greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

You might also consider Matthew Matthew 16:23, where Jesus cautions an overzealous Peter.

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Preaching without humility turns people away from God.
the dumbness of these arguments is very apparent!

"The universe did not 'come' from anywhere. It has always been"!!!

what utter RUBBISH!

Its like saying that the house that you live in was never built, but has always been!!!

All of the bricks, and cement and timber, etc, simple APPEARED by itself, and formed a house???

These arguments are just so dumb!

The house was MADE by people, like the universe had to have been MADE by someone!

The God of the Holy Bible is self-existing and eternal, without any beginning or end. He has in the true sense, always been!

Again I repeat myself, there is NO religion that actually forbids incest, adultery, fornication, murder, kidnapping, theft, etc, etc. List ONE here if you can

The main problem with people like you, is that you are too proud to admit that you are well wrong, and what the Bible Teaches is the ONLY true way!

Did you know, 100's of years before humans finally recognized that the world we live in ROUND, the Holy Bible, in 800BC, states this FACT??? How do you think the Prophet Isaiah knew about this, without direct Revelation by the God of the Holy Bible?

Here is the verse in the Bible, Isaiah 40:22

"It is He that sitteth above the circle of the earth, And the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; That stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, And spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in"

As with the Book of Job, which is older, "Thick clouds are a secret place to Him, And He doth not see;' And the circle of the heavens He walketh habitually" (22:14)

This is what is called EVIDENCE, and not FANTASY!

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