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The coming of Gods kingdom is good news for all creation. A complete reversal of this satan ruled system of things. No more war, hatred, fear, pain. sickness, diseases, starvation, infirmities, no greed, cheating on mates, drug addiction, drunkeness, No mourning, outcries, even death will be no more( Rev 21:4) etc,etc= a cure all for what ails mortal existence. During Jesus 1000 year reign, satan is abyssed, the earth will be transformed into an Eden(paradise) a resurrection of dead loved ones who get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will and get their names written in Gods book of life. Mortals made back to perfection, not aging like now. All created living things living in perfect harmony(Isaiah 11) But then satan gets loosed for a little while and all rebels(Gog from Magog( Rev 20:8) get rooted out, and death, Hades( grave) satan and his angels and Gog from Magog get destroyed in the lake of fire. Then Gods kingdom in full control forever, never again anything like this satan ruled system will occur. pure happiness, all motives of mortal hearts from love not profit seeking.
Gaining entrance into that kingdom has more value than all the wealth combined on earth. One must live to do Jesus' Fathers will now over their own will( Matt 7:21)
Like this-Matt 6:33--Therefore, keep on seeking- FIRST- the kingdom and his ( YHWH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)--Then one can accomplish this-John 4:22-24

Will you live for entrance into Gods kingdom?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:45 pm The scripture means.....all die because of what Adam did, and those that will be made alive are alive because of what Christ has done. It doesn't mean that every person who has died will be resurrected.
And yet that is precisely what the Bible states! It even gives the order in which every person who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Christ will be resurrected first, and that has already occurred.

The next group to be resurrected will be all deceased Christians, which will be resurrected at the Second Coming and spend the millennium with Christ.

The rest of the dead, all nonbelievers, will be resurrected after the millennium:

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

So Jesus, deceased believers, and deceased nonbelievers will all be resurrected.

Please identify that dead person who you claim will not be resurrected.

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myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:45 pm The scripture means.....all die because of what Adam did, and those that will be made alive are alive because of what Christ has done. It doesn't mean that every person who has died will be resurrected.
And yet that is precisely what the Bible states! It even gives the order in which every person who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Christ will be resurrected first, and that has already occurred.

You notice that it says "they that are Christ's." Not everyone will be Christ's. There are those that have done nothing but evil in their minds and actions, and undoubtedly Jehovah will not resurrect many if not all of them.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:11 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:45 pm The scripture means.....all die because of what Adam did, and those that will be made alive are alive because of what Christ has done. It doesn't mean that every person who has died will be resurrected.
And yet that is precisely what the Bible states! It even gives the order in which every person who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Christ will be resurrected first, and that has already occurred.

You notice that it says "they that are Christ's." Not everyone will be Christ's. There are those that have done nothing but evil in their minds and actions, and undoubtedly Jehovah will not resurrect many if not all of them.
Then why does His inspired scriptures state that He will?

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

If at any point He resurrects the rest of the dead -- then all of the dead have been resurrected at that point.

If God raised "they that are Christs" and the rest of the dead, then there are no more to be resurrected.

Why would God not resurrect "those that have done nothing but evil in their minds and actions"?

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myth-one.com wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 8:31 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:11 pm
myth-one.com wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 8:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Jan 01, 2023 6:45 pm The scripture means.....all die because of what Adam did, and those that will be made alive are alive because of what Christ has done. It doesn't mean that every person who has died will be resurrected.
And yet that is precisely what the Bible states! It even gives the order in which every person who ever died will be resurrected:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)

Christ will be resurrected first, and that has already occurred.

You notice that it says "they that are Christ's." Not everyone will be Christ's. There are those that have done nothing but evil in their minds and actions, and undoubtedly Jehovah will not resurrect many if not all of them.
Then why does His inspired scriptures state that He will?

But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. (Revelation 20:5)

If at any point He resurrects the rest of the dead -- then all of the dead have been resurrected at that point.

If God raised "they that are Christs" and the rest of the dead, then there are no more to be resurrected.

Why would God not resurrect "those that have done nothing but evil in their minds and actions"?
God would not resurrect the incorrigibly wicked because they would be the source of suffering for people who want to do what is right in Jehovah's eyes.

"Even if the wicked is shown favor, he will not learn righteousness. Even in the land of uprightness he will act wickedly." (Isaiah 26:10)


"The rest of the dead" that lives (or, comes to life) after the thousand years are the people who are living on the earth during the thousand-year reign and who stay faithful to Jehovah. They "come to life" meaning they now have the prospect of living forever, the true life.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:55 pm God would not resurrect the incorrigibly wicked because they would be the source of suffering for people who want to do what is right in Jehovah's eyes.

"Even if the wicked is shown favor, he will not learn righteousness. Even in the land of uprightness he will act wickedly." (Isaiah 26:10)
Here it is again:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (I Corinthians 15:22)
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:55 pm "The rest of the dead" that lives (or, comes to life) after the thousand years are the people who are living on the earth during the thousand-year reign and who stay faithful to Jehovah. They "come to life" meaning they now have the prospect of living forever, the true life.
Everyone faithful to Jehovah was either resurrected or changed immediately to spiritual beings with everlasting life at the Second Coming. Do you remember that event?

That being the case, there are no humans on the earth during the millennium who are faithful to Jehovah, because how shall they hear without a preacher? All of the possible preachers are enjoying the Millennium period of rest with Jesus.

Those resurrected after the thousand years are "the rest of the dead"! There is no subgroup labelled "the rest of the dead that lives" as you would like to believe. All of the dead which were not resurrected at the Second Coming plus all humans who have died since the Second Coming will all be resurrected as humans and face judgment as none of them are believers.

God is love and everyone will make their individual choice between life or death. The majority will make that decision after being resurrected from their "first death" and during judgment.

The true good news of the gospel will be preached to every human who has ever lived -- including those you define as "incorrigibly wicked" -- because God is Love and He must be just and true and live by His Covenants and words.

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Re: Good news

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myth-one.com wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:55 pm God would not resurrect the incorrigibly wicked because they would be the source of suffering for people who want to do what is right in Jehovah's eyes.

"Even if the wicked is shown favor, he will not learn righteousness. Even in the land of uprightness he will act wickedly." (Isaiah 26:10)
Here it is again:

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. (I Corinthians 15:22)
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 03, 2023 5:55 pm "The rest of the dead" that lives (or, comes to life) after the thousand years are the people who are living on the earth during the thousand-year reign and who stay faithful to Jehovah. They "come to life" meaning they now have the prospect of living forever, the true life.
Everyone faithful to Jehovah was either resurrected or changed immediately to spiritual beings with everlasting life at the Second Coming. Do you remember that event?

That being the case, there are no humans on the earth during the millennium who are faithful to Jehovah, because how shall they hear without a preacher? All of the possible preachers are enjoying the Millennium period of rest with Jesus.

Those resurrected after the thousand years are "the rest of the dead"! There is no subgroup labelled "the rest of the dead that lives" as you would like to believe. All of the dead which were not resurrected at the Second Coming plus all humans who have died since the Second Coming will all be resurrected as humans and face judgment as none of them are believers.

God is love and everyone will make their individual choice between life or death. The majority will make that decision after being resurrected from their "first death" and during judgment.

The true good news of the gospel will be preached to every human who has ever lived -- including those you define as "incorrigibly wicked" -- because God is Love and He must be just and true and live by His Covenants and words.
Well, I see you ignored Isaiah 26:10. Let's see what you say about Revelation chapter 20. No humans on Earth during the millennium? Not true. Millions of people will come out of the Great Tribulation (Rev.7:9,14), and millions more will be resurrected during the millennium. They will all be given the chance to stand beside Jehovah and Jesus. Many of the "great crowd" of chapter 7 and verses 9 and 14 will already know about the truth of God, but some will not have known, and many of the resurrected ones will be taught after their resurrection. Everyone will ultimately know about Jehovah and His Son and what they are doing for the earth.

I did not define anyone as "incorrigibly wicked." It was the Bible---God's own Word---that defined some people as incorrigibly wicked. It also says that they will not be shown favor, meaning they won't receive life.

"Just a little while longer and the wicked will be no more. You will look at where they were, and they will not be there." (Psalm 37:10)

"As for the wicked, they will be cut off from the earth, and the treacherous will be torn away from it." (Proverbs 2:22)

Jehovah will bring vengeance on those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. "These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord..." (2 Thessalonians 1:8,9) It's not about "hell," either, it is about destruction. They will no longer exist.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:33 pm No humans on Earth during the millennium? Not true.
Of course, that's not true. But I said "there are no humans on the earth during the millennium who are faithful to Jehovah". All believers during the millennium are with Jesus. All living humans on the earth during the millennium will be nonbelievers.
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:33 pm Jehovah will bring vengeance on those who do not obey the good news about our Lord Jesus. "These very ones will undergo the judicial punishment of everlasting destruction from before the Lord..." (2 Thessalonians 1:8,9) It's not about "hell," either, it is about destruction. They will no longer exist.
Yes, that is their choice. They chose death.

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myth-one.com wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:33 pm No humans on Earth during the millennium? Not true.
Of course, that's not true. But I said "there are no humans on the earth during the millennium who are faithful to Jehovah". All believers during the millennium are with Jesus. All living humans on the earth during the millennium will be nonbelievers.
No, all humans on the earth during the millennium will be believers or those learning the truth for the first time who will be taught by the believers.

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:01 am
myth-one.com wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:33 pm No humans on Earth during the millennium? Not true.
Of course, that's not true. But I said "there are no humans on the earth during the millennium who are faithful to Jehovah". All believers during the millennium are with Jesus. All living humans on the earth during the millennium will be nonbelievers.
No, all humans on the earth during the millennium will be believers or those learning the truth for the first time who will be taught by the believers.
Well, here's what the scriptures say:

All deceased believers will be resurrected to everlasting spiritual life at the Second Coming:

I Corinthians 15:22-23
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


Christians who are living at the time of the Second Coming will be changed into spiritual beings and meet Jesus and the resurrected Christians in the air:

I Thessalonians 4:17
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

I Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I show you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed.


So every human believer (dead or alive) will have received their inheritance of everlasting life and entered the spiritual Kingdom of God.

So at this point there are no more human believers on the earth!

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Do you accept or challenge the above scriptures?

In addition, there should not be any new human believers created during the Millennial period of rest because:

Romans 10:
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?


All of the Christian preachers are observing the 1,000 year period of rest with Jesus. Their work was spreading the good news of the gospel to all the world. They failed, but their work is over and they are resting from their work with Jesus.

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[Replying to myth-one.com in post #109]

No, all believers will be working with Jesus and the 144,000 during the millennium to teach all the resurrected people and people who didn't know the truth before Armageddon, all about Jehovah and Jesus and life everlasting in Paradise on Earth. That is the good news. Life forever in Paradise, with Jehovah being "all things to everyone." (I Corinthians 15:28)

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