Is the Debate Between Science and Religion Unnecessary?

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Is the Debate Between Science and Religion Unnecessary?

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My friend Gary Conkling writes about the potential conflict between science and relgion.
Question for debate: Is there necessarily conflict between science and relgion?
People with religious beliefs often view science as anti-religious, even as an attack on religion. The tension between scientific inquiry and religious zealotry is real. Scientists focus on questions while zealots settle for answers, sometimes based on dubious evidence or misconstrued history.

There is a path through the tension. Scientists don’t have to dismiss a greater force and zealots have to rely on faith rather than crypto-facts. We could someday figure out how the universe truly works, but still never know how it came to be. The desire – and for many the desperate need – to know there is something larger out there larger than life as we know it can yield an emotional calm and an enhanced ability to deal with very real and present distress.
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Questions are not disbelief. Probabilities are safer to cling to than facts in assessing the universe. The scientific method and faith are not incompatible.
https://garyconklinglifenotes.wordpress ... UfIEseHtLQ

Is there a religion that seeks truth, rather than declaring it?
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Re: Is the Debate Between Science and Religion Unnecessary?

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Runner wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:13 pm Tell me, what is Atheism, if not a belief system?
It is neither a belief nor a system. It is the lack of belief in god/gods.


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To be clear: Atheism is not a disbelief in gods or a denial of gods; it is a lack of belief in gods.

- American Atheists

Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

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I must assume that knowing is better than not knowing, venturing than not venturing; and that magic and illusion, however rich, however alluring, ultimately weaken the human spirit.

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brunumb wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:09 pmPeople now are leaving religions in droves, not by choice, but by the conviction that what they were told is false.
Of course they are, and have been for decades now.

Modern mainstream churchianity is a lie.

That's why one must study the Bible diligently, with the gift of Faith and Holy Spirit discernment, in order to discover the real Truth about what God's Word teaches. NONE of the churches today teach that. NONE of them.

A very honest Atheist, and author, George Klein, made this claim:
“My attitude is not based on science, but rather on faith . . . . The absence of a Creator, the non-existence of God is my childhood faith, my adult belief, unshakable and holy.”
https://answersingenesis.org/world-reli ... -religion/
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Runner wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:54 pm @Tcg

Everyone has a god. Like it or not. Everyone ... has a god.
Nope, I don't, and I am not alone in that.


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Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:35 pmNope, I don't, and I am not alone in that.
Long as you're happy and blissful in your ign- ... well, your misunderstanding.

Is being alone an issue for you.

Do you have insecurities about that?

Many do, of course. No judgment.
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Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:31 pm It is neither a belief nor a system. It is the lack of belief in god/gods.
So you believe there are no gods?
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Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:31 pmIt is the lack of belief in god/gods.
The only way possible to have a lack of belief in something is to have zero knowledge of that specific thing whatsoever.

To know that a thing is, that it is a concept, is to hold a belief about it - one way or the other.

Plain and simple.

You either believe that it exists, or you believe that it does not exist.

You cannot have a lack of belief in it - unless you have a lack of knowledge of it.
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Runner wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:39 pm
Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:31 pm It is neither a belief nor a system. It is the lack of belief in god/gods.
So you believe there are no gods?
Where did I say that? You wouldn't be relying on a Strawman, would you?


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Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

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Runner wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:43 pm
Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:31 pmIt is the lack of belief in god/gods.
The only way possible to have a lack of belief in something is to have zero knowledge of that specific thing whatsoever.

To know that a thing is, that it is a concept, is to hold a belief about it - one way or the other.

Plain and simple.
That is one way to lack a belief, but it is not the only way. I am aware of the concept of god/gods, but lack belief in all of the ones I have knowledge of.


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- American Atheists

Not believing isn't the same as believing not.

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Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:43 pm Where did I say that? You wouldn't be relying on a Strawman, would you?
No, not at all.
Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 5:31 pm
It is neither a belief nor a system. It is the lack of belief in god/gods.
Do you believe what you posted?
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Tcg wrote: ↑Mon Jan 23, 2023 6:47 pm
That is one way to lack a belief, but it is not the only way. I am aware of the concept of god/gods, but lack belief in all of the ones I have knowledge of.
So, stay with me now.

You believe that the gods, that you have knowledge of, do not exist.

Correct?
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