Does the USA need to STOP supporting ISRAEL NOW-?

[thomasdixon]

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder Palestinian children

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder American citizens.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian villages and then build illegally on top of the rubble.

28 Dec 2022
Benjamin Netanyahu’s incoming hardline government put West Bank settlement expansion at the top of its list of priorities on Wednesday, vowing to legalise dozens of illegally built outposts and annex the occupied territory as part of its coalition deal with its ultranational allies.
Netanyahu government makes West Bank settlement expansion its priority

We, as Americans, including American Jews must band together and demand that we, citizens of America STOP giving Israel money.
We must make our voices heard in Congress and directly to Biden.

Israel should be designated a terrorist state-?

opinions welcome yes/no/why

[Falling Light 101]

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the same exact situation regarding the African Slaves who were captured and sold to American European citizens.

there is no established public knowledge and available record to know about exactly who are the African peoples /
descendants here in the United States that are historical descendants of slavery - just as American European families have absolutely no record, no history - no knowledge about who among themselves had purchased and owned slaves.

quickly, in just over a period of a around 150 short years this historical record has been completely removed from society as common knowledge. 90 % of the population have no idea about their own family history involving slavery, this common knowledge is purposefully forgotten and not shared - it would take National Archives and Records Administration and Government custodian of the U.S. Federal Government just to help African Americans identify slave holders and ancestors who were enslaved before 1865.

what if a Government choose to destroy these type of records or even manipulate important information to propagate an alternative narrative of factual history, in just a matter of 500 years all of this historical information and record would be completely lost and society and common knowledge would have a totally different memory and reality about these events.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #40

they then lived in Egypt for 430 years and left Egypt returning back to Canaan....

That's where the Bible runs afoul of archeology:

"There was no mass Exodus from Egypt."

the Egyptians and Canaanites in ancient times have had 2000 - 3000 years to completely rewrite their history with no modern technology in recording and chronicle to sustain any truthful fact

Their histories date back thousands of years, so you assume that they used all that time to falsify their records?

the reality is that these Egyptian and Canaanite civilizations have next to nothing regarding recorded historical data

"As a complex historical society, ancient Egypt made extensive use of writing and the written record has played a central role in the modern reconstruction of Egyptian civilization."
https://www.penn.museum/sites/egypt/wri ... vilization.

[Falling Light 101]

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The ancient Egyptians in fact did NOT record their history - this was never the purpose in their hieroglyphic inscriptions.

In fact the Egyptians have never attempted to recorded and preserve any historical accounts of anything
The ancient Egyptians were only interested in leaving behind a history about - funerary texts, religious epistles and letters, hymns and poems, and commemorative autobiographical texts recounting the careers of prominent administrative officials.

Egyptian hieroglyphic inscriptions were not even able to be understood and translated until the 20th century because they do NOT reflect or compare nor validate for anything whatsoever regarding real WORLD HISTORY DATA

whatsoever

The ancient Egyptians did not distinguish between fable, myths and reality and history within their hieroglyphic inscriptions.

They did not produce a historiography comparable to other ancient, or later Western, models, which attempt to analyze and critically record and write about their history

Because of the discordant nature of Egyptian chronology, it is impossible to present a comprehensive list of dates, pharaohs, and dynasties

materials for the reconstruction of a coherent picture of Egyptian History are hopelessly inadequate, as a result, we must cross reference the Egyptian accounts with other accurate historical sources.

Egyptian historical inscriptions are characterized by a high degree of re-writing history
TODAY - There is no book or modern translation that provides history of ancient Egypt based upon the hieroglyphic inscriptions provided by ancient Egyptians, the history of Egypt is provided by outside sources - OUTSIDE OF EGYPT - providing an explanation for a comprehensive coherent order of chronological events concerning a record of Ancient Egyptian history -

in fact, the hieroglyphic inscriptions are not designed to leave a history purposed for articulating historical events of Egypt - but that were designed rather to promote supernatural myth and fantasy and religion mixed with random, selective and limited and carefully chosen real events or happenings in ancient Egyptian historical events being highlighted in limited details ONLY to give credence to the purpose of promoting funerary texts, religious epistles and letters, hymns and poems, and commemorative autobiographical texts recounting the careers of prominent administrative officials.

And not a record of historical accounts designed to record factual history of Egypt

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #43

I've quoted sources. What are you quoting?

Egyptian hieroglyphic inscriptions were not even able to be understood and translated until the 20th century because they do NOT reflect or compare nor validate for anything whatsoever regarding real WORLD HISTORY DATA

Translation of Egyptian hieroglyphic script on the Rosetta Stone was significantly advanced by Thomas Young (1773–1829), and finally cracked by Jean-François Champollion (1790–1832). On the stone are three recordings, in Demotic, hieroglyphic and Greek respectively, of a decree in the name of king Ptolemy V Epiphanes, who was coronated on March 26, 196 BCE.

"The decree itself is a complex document attesting to the negotiation of authority between two powerful groups: the royal house of the Ptolemies and the collected associations of Egyptian priests. In the stone’s text, Ptolemy V is presented as a beneficent ruler who will renew financial support for the temples, increase priestly stipends, reduce taxes, offer amnesty for prisoners and sponsor prominent animal cults. In return, the royal cult will be reaffirmed through statues called “Ptolemy, protector of Egypt” erected in temples throughout the land. The priests are to tend to the statues three times daily and celebrate the holidays of the king’s birth (thirtieth day) and the day of his accession (seventeenth day) each month. The king’s authority is therefore continually reaffirmed, while material benefits are conferred on the Egyptian religious administration."
https://arce.org/resource/rosetta-stone ... -language/

I'd say that's a fair bit of technical detail.

in fact, the....inscriptions are not designed to leave a history purposed for articulating historical events.....but that were designed rather to promote supernatural myth

The same could be argued about the Bible.

For example: According to Archbishop James Ussher's calculation, the flood in Genesis occurred in 2348 BCE. This was a mere fourteen years before Sargon I conquered southern Mesopotamia and founded the Akkadian Empire.

[Falling Light 101]

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seems no information is given as to how Sargon who founded Akkadian was dated to around the mid-twenty-fourth century BCE -

would this be just a random estimation just invented out of thin air based upon guessing or a toss of a coin or is it fantasy or perhaps some muddled Eastern government historical analysis attempting to sell a book on historical artifacts ?

if you go to the bottom of the page in - Encyclopaedia Britannica https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sargon

Because contemporary record is lacking, no sequence can be given for the events of his reign. Neither the number of years during which he lived nor the point in time at which he ruled can be fixed exactly; 2334 BCE is now given as a date on which to hang the beginning of the dynasty of Agade.

this is just a matter of faith not based on proof or evidence - much like some things the Biblical accounts many things cannot be proven because there is no evidence.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #45

this is just a matter of faith not based on proof or evidence - much like some things the Biblical accounts many things cannot be proven because there is no evidence.

I'd say that there's more evidence of the reign of Sargon than there is of a great flood.

[Falling Light 101]

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If you can think of factual evidence for the date or time of " reign of Sargon " please share this information with me, I spent over about 2 hours yesterday looking online

is this evidence not provided online and i need to find a library or a university ?

if you would be kind enough to take a moment to explain or summarize - factual evidence for the date or time of " reign of Sargon " ?

also you notice that you mentioned earlier - something about a problem with an overlap of " 14 " years after the flood of Noah ? why would you say something like this especially when the dates given are presented only an historical estimation estimations and approximations going back 4000 - 5000 years ago - 14 years is really unrealistic and so small of a event to define as an literal overlap in time.

we are looking at a claim of an estimated and approximate 14 years of one event overlapping another event that took place nearly estimated 5000 years ago based on an approximation or a guess or estimation or even ( as an exact date ) how can any educated person see 14 years as a realistic problem for the events overlapping. should not we be more realistic to see that this is something like a possible 700 % possibility for room for error.

comparing 14 years into a 5000 years of estimated time

[Gracchus]

This thread is not just de-railed, it's a calamitous train-wreck!
Nothing to see here, folks! Just move on.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Falling Light 101 in post #47

If you can think of factual evidence for the date or time of " reign of Sargon " please share this information with me, I spent over about 2 hours yesterday looking online

"Because contemporary record is lacking, no sequence can be given for the events of his reign. Neither the number of years during which he lived nor the point in time at which he ruled can be fixed exactly; 2334 BCE is now given as a date on which to hang the beginning of the dynasty of Agade."

this is just a matter of faith not based on proof or evidence - much like some things the Biblical accounts many things cannot be proven because there is no evidence.

The reign of Sargon is based on the best evidence available, even if the historical record is incomplete. He lived in that period. He defeated a civilization and founded an empire, which he wouldn't have been able to do in his lifetime if a global flood had recently wiped out every nation.

also you notice that you mentioned earlier - something about a problem with an overlap of " 14 " years after the flood of Noah ? why would you say something like this especially when the dates given are presented only an historical estimation estimations and approximations going back 4000 - 5000 years ago - 14 years is really unrealistic and so small of a event to define as an literal overlap in time.

Ussher based his calculations on periods given in the Bible. Would you disagree with his calculations? If so, is the Bible inaccurate?

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to Gracchus in post #48

This thread is not just de-railed, it's a calamitous train-wreck!

Gracchus has a point. To get the train back on the track:

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/t ... ersecution