Is God evil?

[Compassionist]

There are many verses in the Bible about God's predestination. https://www.openbible.info/topics/predestination Why would a good God predestine anyone to do evil? Surely, a good God would predestine all to do good? Does the existence of evil prove that God is evil? Surely, a good God would have made all living things to be autotrophs instead of making some autotrophs, some herbivores, some carnivores, some omnivores, and some parasites? Here are some examples of evil events which caused or are causing suffering, deaths, and injustices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll
https://thevegancalculator.com/animal-slaughter

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #258]

In a vacuum, particles, and anti-particles come into existence without any cause. It's possible the universe came into existence without a cause.

Okay - so if I imagine that this hat is the 'vacuum' we have a clear indication from your beliefs, that the idea of "particles, and anti-particles come into existence without any cause", is incorrect.

We can agree that the hat is there, but "what is this hat" that it can cause things to spontaneously appear from its own self existing?

[Compassionist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #258]

In a vacuum, particles, and anti-particles come into existence without any cause. It's possible the universe came into existence without a cause.

Okay - so if I imagine that this hat is the 'vacuum' we have a clear indication from your beliefs, that the idea of "particles, and anti-particles come into existence without any cause", is incorrect.

We can agree that the hat is there, but "what is this hat" that it can cause things to spontaneously appear from its own self existing?

The hat is not the same thing as a vacuum.

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #260]

A real and good God would have made all living things forever happy by preventing all suffering, injustices, and deaths. Since we do have suffering, injustices, and deaths God must be either imaginary and evil or real and evil.

So is that the premise you are working from?

If so, then you must be saying that the presence of suffering, injustices, and death is proof positive that Old Soul is evil.

Since the premise you have implies such, we have more skin to peel. I don't see how a focus on apparent negatives is any different from a focus on apparent positives...can you show me why your position is any better than that of an infatuated religious personality?

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #262]

The hat is not the same thing as a vacuum.

So you claim. Can you SHOW us that this is the case?

For example, if we remove the visual of the hat, [and the hand with the wand] we are left with the appearance of the rabbit which then turns into the rabbit pie...so removing the image of the vacuum does not explain what the vacuum is. Even calling it a "vacuum" doesn't explain anything other than it is something. Invisible but for the fact that things are produce from it...it is obviously something, even that it is no more visible to us than a purple garage-dragon...

You cannot say that the "vacuum" is NOT a Mind.

[Compassionist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #260]

A real and good God would have made all living things forever happy by preventing all suffering, injustices, and deaths. Since we do have suffering, injustices, and deaths God must be either imaginary and evil or real and evil.

So is that the premise you are working from?

If so, then you must be saying that the presence of suffering, injustices, and death is proof positive that Old Soul is evil.

Since the premise you have implies such, we have more skin to peel. I don't see how a focus on apparent negatives is any different from a focus on apparent positives...can you show me why your position is any better than that of an infatuated religious personality?

Yes. I said that God is either imaginary and evil or real and evil.

Here are some examples of suffering, deaths, and injustices:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_extinction_events
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_n ... death_toll
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_g ... death_toll
https://thevegancalculator.com/animal-slaughter

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #265]

When you can provide better evidence that a creator of this universe would have to be evil, you will have my attention.
Otherwise, there is nothing significantly shown by you, in which justifies your perception on the matter.

[Compassionist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #265]

When you can provide better evidence that a creator of this universe would have to be evil, you will have my attention.
Otherwise, there is nothing significantly shown by you, in which justifies your perception on the matter.

I am utterly indifferent to whether I have your attention or not.

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #267]

I am utterly indifferent to whether I have your attention or not.

You are the first fellow agnostic who has ever said that to me.

[Compassionist]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #267]

I am utterly indifferent to whether I have your attention or not.

You are the first fellow agnostic who has ever said that to me.

I am utterly indifferent to whether or not I have anyone's attention. You are not the only one.

[William]

[Replying to Compassionist in post #267]

I am utterly indifferent to whether I have your attention or not.

You are the first fellow agnostic who has ever said that to me.

I am utterly indifferent to whether or not I have anyone's attention. You are not the only one.

Forgive my confusion. I thought you were coming from the position of being Agnostic...I will leave you to your self now...