HAARP is at it again!!

[Runner]

Contrary to popular understanding, the extreme changes in weather that we are seeing in America, and throughout the world, are due to various methods of weather manipulation/modification. The intensity of storms and completely unprecedented winter conditions are wreaking havoc on our world and the public is growing very tired of the nonsense and all the lies.

The official story is that it is Global Warming, or oops - Climate Change, that is the culprit for all of the never-before-seen weather events that began around the 1990's. Many people are waking up to the fact that this is simply not the case. There are too many unexplained factors that just don't add up. The more people look into these strange weather anomalies, the more they are discovering that weather modification experiments have been conducted by the military since the 1950's - '60's with great success. It is very obvious that the military would not scrap such programs that have proven to be very powerful and very effective.

Those who research the history of HAARP and its true capabilities unanimously conclude that these high tech devices, which are constructed in multiple locations on the earth, are undoubtedly affecting our weather in negative ways all over the world. Whether the organizations in charge of these facilities, and their programs, admit that these HAARP arrays are responsible or not makes no difference to those who take a little time to look into these programs. We became capable of cloud-seeding in the 50's-60's; nobody is buying that we have not advanced enormously in our abilities to control the weather in many ways since that time. And nobody is pleased with the weather that is being experienced all over the world today - especially when it has contributed to untold loss of property and lives.

If we had it our way, these programs would be shut down immediately, those involved would be charged and punished and these weather modification techniques would be banned worldwide. God created this world and all of nature to work like a finely-tuned clock. Meddling with His creation, and with the workings of our world's environment, is an abominable sin toward God and all mankind. The people involved in these programs are the most evil people in the world. May God Almighty deal with them as they so richly deserve.

What do you think can be done about this technology causing so much havoc upon the earth?

What should the public be made aware of concerning the capabilities of such technology to manipulate and modify our weather?

[Runner]

[Replying to Runner in post #9]

Too many people giving off CO2 in their daily goings about? The very element that is naturally involved with all living things?

You need to crunch some numbers. There are about 8 billion humans on the planet, and the average amount of CO2 exhaled as those humans breathe is about 2.3 lbs/day (we breathe in air at abut 0.04% CO2 and breathe out at about 4-5% CO2). So humans breathing add about 18 billion lbs of CO2 every 24 hour day to the atmosphere. This is 18e9 lbs / 2000 lbs/ton = 9 megatons (if you like metric tons, use 2205 instead of 2000). Humans doing their daily goings about add about 9 megatons of CO2 every day, 0.009 gigatons, or about 3.3 gigatons/year, or about 3.0 metric tons (gigatonnes). This is easily taken up by plants, the oceans, etc. (farm animals and wild animals add to this of course).

Now add industrial CO2 emissions. These are about 37 gigatonnes/year:

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This is about 12x more than humans, and the level of CO2 in the atmosphere follows the steadily increasing level of industrial production (cement and aluminum manufacturing, fossil fuel emissions, etc.):

https://www.climate.gov/news-features/u ... on-dioxide

Of course correlation does not prove causation, and the global atmospheric CO2 concentration is around 750 gigatonnes. But if more CO2 is added to the atmosphere than plants, oceans, etc. can absorb and recycle, it ends up in the atmosphere as you can clearly see in the link above.

Do you ... know ... how ridiculous that is?

If I claimed that the additional CO2 was caused by humans "giving off CO2 in their daily goings about" it would be ridiculous. But I didn't make that claim. You're ignoring the 12x higher industrial emission levels (not to mention CH4 which has a much higher "greenhouse potential" than CO2 on a per molecule basis ... there is just a lot less of it normally (about 1.8 ppmv compared to around 420 ppmv for CO2).

You can't be serious.

As far as HAARP not being powerful enough to affect weather, it only takes 30 watts to detect oil through solid rock.

HAARP uses 3.6 MILLION watts through a BILLION watt beam.

You need to crunch some numbers.

HAARP is destroying our world.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Runner in post #11]

As far as HAARP not being powerful enough to affect weather, it only takes 30 watts to detect oil through solid rock.

HAARP uses 3.6 MILLION watts through a BILLION watt beam.

What? There is no "BILLION watt beam." From the Wikipedia article on HAARP:

"The main instrument at HAARP is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI). This is a high-power, high-frequency phased array radio transmitter with a set of 180 antennas, disposed in an array of 12×15 units that occupy a rectangle of about 30–40 acres (12–16 hectares)."

180 units over 30-40 acres results in a power density in the ionosphere of only 3 uW/cm^2. From the same Wikipedia article:

"The intensity of the HF signal in the ionosphere is less than 3 µW/cm2, tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less than even the normal random variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere."

Detecting oil through solid rock has no relevance to HAARP.

You need to crunch some numbers.

The Wikipedia article, and HAARP's own website, has all the numbers needed. No need to crunch them ... just read.

HAARP is destroying our world.

Fortunately it isn't ... it has no impact of any kind on weather, climate or our world. This is a more rational article on the conspiracy theory nonsense regarding HAARP:

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/haarp- ... he-clouds/

[Runner]

[Replying to Runner in post #11]

As far as HAARP not being powerful enough to affect weather, it only takes 30 watts to detect oil through solid rock.

HAARP uses 3.6 MILLION watts through a BILLION watt beam.

What? There is no "BILLION watt beam." From the Wikipedia article on HAARP:

"The main instrument at HAARP is the Ionospheric Research Instrument (IRI). This is a high-power, high-frequency phased array radio transmitter with a set of 180 antennas, disposed in an array of 12×15 units that occupy a rectangle of about 30–40 acres (12–16 hectares)."

180 units over 30-40 acres results in a power density in the ionosphere of only 3 uW/cm^2. From the same Wikipedia article:

"The intensity of the HF signal in the ionosphere is less than 3 µW/cm2, tens of thousands of times less than the Sun's natural electromagnetic radiation reaching the earth and hundreds of times less than even the normal random variations in intensity of the Sun's natural ultraviolet (UV) energy which creates the ionosphere."

Detecting oil through solid rock has no relevance to HAARP.

You need to crunch some numbers.

The Wikipedia article, and HAARP's own website, has all the numbers needed. No need to crunch them ... just read.

HAARP is destroying our world.

Fortunately it isn't ... it has no impact of any kind on weather, climate or our world. This is a more rational article on the conspiracy theory nonsense regarding HAARP:

https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/haarp- ... he-clouds/

You are ignorant or a LIAR.

I'm convinced of the latter, but you are not fooling any one here.

Liars go straight to HELL.

Make no mistake.

[JoeyKnothead]

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Liars go straight to HELL.
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What happens when you can't put truth to that claim...

[Runner]

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Liars go straight to HELL.
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What happens when you can't put truth to that claim...

"... all liars, shall have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone: ..."
Rev. 21:8

"Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to ... enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."
Rev. 22:15

[JoeyKnothead]

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Liars go straight to HELL.
...

What happens when you can't put truth to that claim...

"... all liars, shall have their part in the lake that burneth with fire and brimstone: ..."
Rev. 21:8

"Blessed are they that do His Commandments, that they may have right to ... enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."
Rev. 22:15

Do you also believe a wolf blew down a pig's house?

[Runner]

Do you also believe a wolf blew down a pig's house?

Show me the verse and I'll consider it.

[The Barbarian]

[Replying to Runner in post #1]

What do you think can be done about this technology causing so much havoc upon the earth?

You've got to be kidding! HAARP is far too small and insignificant to have any real impact on weather, much less climate.

That seems so obvious. Remember when someone had to explain to Donald Trump that thowing an H-bomb at a hurricane would essentially do nothing to change it? The scale of weather is so much greater than anything we can do that it's amazing anyone would not realize this.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to Runner in post #13]

You are ignorant or a LIAR.

I simply quoted numbers from HAARP's website, and a Wikipedia article about HAARP. If you don't believe their numbers, or think there is some kind of conspiracy going on, take it up with someone who can do something about it (but it is probably not worth wasting your time on as conspiracy theories as outlandish as what you are proposing usually are ignored, as they should be).

I'm convinced of the latter, but you are not fooling any one here.

I'm not attempting to fool anyone. What HAARP is, and what it does, its power, etc. are all well documented. It is your claim that it is somehow controlling weather or ruining the world, despite the fact that it isn't powerful enough to do either, by a large margin.

Liars go straight to HELL.

There's no evidence that hell exists, and I'm not lying, so I don't think I'll worry about this.

[DrNoGods]

[Replying to The Barbarian in post #18]

That seems so obvious. Remember when someone had to explain to Donald Trump that thowing an H-bomb at a hurricane would essentially do nothing to change it? The scale of weather is so much greater than anything we can do that it's amazing anyone would not realize this.

Yes ... but there are people who believe the Earth is flat and "they" are hiding it from us, a cabal of pedophiles and cannibals run the government, Hitler and Elvis are still alive, and all kinds of silly nonsense. Some are probably scientifically illiterate and gullible or want to be part of a controversial group, others have figured out how to make a buck off of the conspiracy theories, and others ... who knows.

If something as weak as HAARP could control global weather we could likely find a cheap and easy way to reverse the impact of CO2 and CH4 emissions and someone would capitalize on the technology to get fabulously rich. Instead, it seems a group of scientists in Alaska are collecting average paychecks doing scientific research, harming no one.