Simple Test to Disprove Christianity

[boatsnguitars]

1. Find Christians who claim to have a relationship with Jesus
2. Ask them individually a series of questions
3. Compare the answers.
4. If the answers don't line up, then it shows that Christians don't have a relationship with Jesus.
5. The most likely answer is that Jesus doesn't exist in the way Christians claim.

Some questions:
A. What was your favorite food as a child, Jesus?
B. What should America do about it's National Debt, if anything? What steps should be done to reduce it, or should it be reduced at all?
C. Where is my great-great-great-great-grandmother buried?
D. Are both Hitler and Anne Frank in Heaven?
E. What is the 1 billionth digit in Pi?

These are samples of questions that could be compared. (Obviously, you'd want a double-blind study, etc.)

Objections:

1. "Jesus/God doesn't work that way!"
This is obvious to non-believers, since it's exactly what you'd expect from a non-existent person in a "relationship". However, Christians who claim to have a relationship with Jesus are often heard all the ways Jesus talks to them:
"I was drinkin' and druggin' and bein' all bad, and I asked Jesus, "Jesus, should I stop all this self-destructive behavior?", and he said, "Yes.""
"I was unemployed, surfin' on my Mom's couch and she was naggin' me, so I prayed to Jesus, "Jesus, should I get a job?", and I heard him clear as a bell, "Yes"."

So, this is very simple. Ask Jesus better questions, otherwise, it appears Jesus is no better than an incel's mother telling him to get a job. We expect more from our deities, no?

2. "Well, not all Christians are being honest about their relationship with Jesus"
This is certain. Christians of all stripes lie about Jesus. There's a reason there are over 10,000 denominations, many of those led by men (usually men) who claim to have had a revelation from Jesus to start their church. The Pope, Fred Phelps, Marcion, etc. They've all claimed to have a relationship with Jesus in some way - and they've all been either lying, or Jesus is telling them different answers (so much for not being the author of confusion!).
In fact, can't we sum up all religions as started by liars?
Aren't all people stained by Original Sin and liars? Aren't 99% of all religions automatically wrong - started by liars? Why do we simply accept the claims of one person over another?

3. "OK, maybe everyone is a liar, except me! If I can answer all those questions correctly, then Christianity must be true."
Not so fast. Sure, if one person answered all the questions correctly, we'd have a data point. But with over 1 billion Christians in the world, we'd expect 1 person to randomly get it right.
Besides, Christianity claims - in it's own book (unless it's a lie) - that Jesus DESIRES a relationship with us. If only one person can answer those questions (that could also be answered randomly), that doesn't support the claims of Christianity.

4. "You can't test God!"
(Why not? How convenient!) But, we're not really testing God - we're testing the people's claims of having a relationship with Jesus. After all, Christians want us to accept that Jesus has told them x, y, z, and that's why we can't have Gay Marriage, or eat meat on Friday, or have premarital sex, etc. In other words, see #1, they are more than happy to tell us Jesus has spoken with them and told them the 'facts" (yet, Chrtistians disagree). This is exactly what you'd expect from a false religion.

Conclusion:
This is a simple test. Almost stupidly simple. Committed Christians will do everything they can to avoid ever having to take this test - which belies their motivation.
This would be perfectly normal in a real relationship. If you wanted to know if Warren Buffet existed (or if people who claimed to know him, actually knew him), you could simply ask a series of questions. The people who answer the same, and answer what only Buffet would know, are most likely the ones in a relationship with Buffet.
The fact is, there is no difference between "Christians relationship with Jesus" and "There is no Jesus".

Bonus round:
Not all religions claim to have this kind of relationship with God. Thus, making those religions more likely true (or, at least, more difficult to prove the negative; that they aren't true).
Therefore, if Christians want to make Pascal's Wager, they should pick a different religion.

Are any Christians here willing to take the test? Wouldn't you like to know if Jesus is real - or which Christians are false?

Important Note:
This test highlights not only why Christianity is false, but shows how vastly different our world would be if it were true.
If Christianity were true, and Jesus/God had actual relationships with the millions of people who claim to have this relationship, we'd see a vast agreement from all those Christians on all kinds of issues. Politics, parenting, science, math, etc: All these would be supercharged if we could tap into the knowledge of God.

Our legal system: "Jesus, did he kill his wife? No? OK, sir, you are free to go. We've been told it's your neighbor."

Parenting: "Should I spank my children? Oh, you say one of them will learn from it but the other will be forever scarred emotionally and never be able to form meaningful relationships? Wow, thanks, Jesus?"

I know Christians will claim Jesus doesn't want to give us the answers. But this is just an excuse - and a lie - since they claim Jesus does, in fact, give them answers on a number of things when it comes to them personally, or things that involve the culture war. How many Christians are convinced Jesus doesn't like abortion - despite those babies getting a free trip to God, without any of the pain and agony in this mortal life? (As one of many examples)

Thoughts?

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #68]

But isn't that a perfect example of what Jesus called speaking as man speaks, not a God speaks? Just because a committee of men says 'no more revelations' that is It and God can't change his mind, as he changed his mind (or 'Message') about the Mosaic law and religion?

No, remember men were just agreeing with what Jesus already said in Revelation 22:18-19

• 18I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.…

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #70]

Just ask all the the Jews that didn't buy it. They're still here!

You are correct. Not all of them bought it but a lot of them did how and why?

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to Clownboat in post #70]

Just ask all the the Jews that didn't buy it. They're still here!

You are correct. Not all of them bought it but a lot of them did how and why?

Folks'll believe all kinds of goofy things if you threaten them with eternal hellfire.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #73]

Folks'll believe all kinds of goofy things if you threaten them with eternal hellfire.

Jews believed they were going to go to hell if they did not believe in Judaism. So why would they believe the disciple's message over Judaism? To abandon Judaism is would be eternal damnation in the mind of the Jews of that day.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #73]

Folks'll believe all kinds of goofy things if you threaten them with eternal hellfire.

Jews believed they were going to go to hell if they did not believe in Judaism. So why would they believe the disciple's message over Judaism? To abandon Judaism is would be eternal damnation in the mind of the Jews of that day.

You're wading into making an argument from numbers, though you reinforce my point.

Once you get folks thinking they gotta believe you or they're heading for Hell, it's a bit easier to convince them of anything you want.

These ain't sophisticated folks, with the education and the internet and all.

[Clownboat]

Jews believed they were going to go to hell if they did not believe in Judaism.

Some still do. It is a sad fact that so many religions have to stoop so low in order to keep the pews filled. Works especially well when you have parents telling their children such things.

So why would they believe the disciple's message over Judaism?

They didn't and they don't. You should really talk to a Jew.

To abandon Judaism is would be eternal damnation in the mind of the Jews of that day.

Unfortunately, that is the hold that many religions have on their victims. Believe or suffer for eternity. Will you stand with me against the tyranny?

Bottom line, our Jews still don't believe the disciples claims. The Jews are the ones that were not convinced. They are still here... un-convinced.

[brunumb]

[Replying to brunumb in post #62]

Nope. People buy into all sorts of things that are not necessarily true for all sorts of reasons. Your list simply does not require an actual resurrection.

Small groups of people may buy into all sorts of things. But here you are talking about a quickly growing movement that believed that Jesus rose from the dead, in Jerusalem where Jesus died. Again how would you sell that?

Why would Paul persecute the Church and then become a believer that Jesus died and rose again? Most people are not irrational and most people do not want to be persecuted for what they believe. Most people will comply so that they do not have to suffer and die. Why would these people be any different?

And your answer is that thousands of people in a localized area are irrational.

If you want to believe that you are free to do so. But it does not explain the facts that we know about that time.

Once again you fail to recognise that not having the answers to those questions does not mean the resurrection actually happened.

[JoeyKnothead]

[Replying to brunumb in post #62]

Nope. People buy into all sorts of things that are not necessarily true for all sorts of reasons. Your list simply does not require an actual resurrection.

Small groups of people may buy into all sorts of things. But here you are talking about a quickly growing movement that believed that Jesus rose from the dead, in Jerusalem where Jesus died. Again how would you sell that?

Why would Paul persecute the Church and then become a believer that Jesus died and rose again? Most people are not irrational and most people do not want to be persecuted for what they believe. Most people will comply so that they do not have to suffer and die. Why would these people be any different?

And your answer is that thousands of people in a localized area are irrational.

If you want to believe that you are free to do so. But it does not explain the facts that we know about that time.

Once again you fail to recognise that not having the answers to those questions does not mean the resurrection actually happened.

If our resident geotech is to be trusted, everyone who died in Vietnam were proud to've done it.

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to brunumb in post #77]

Once again you fail to recognise that not having the answers to those questions does not mean the resurrection actually happened.

The resurrection is the best explanation of these established facts, which your belief system has not answered. That is the problem that you are faced with. How does your belief system answer these facts about what happened in history?

[boatsnguitars]

[Replying to brunumb in post #77]

Once again you fail to recognise that not having the answers to those questions does not mean the resurrection actually happened.

The resurrection is the best explanation of these established facts, which your belief system has not answered. That is the problem that you are faced with. How does your belief system answer these facts about what happened in history?

I have problems trusting you as a sincere individual if you are feigning ignorance of the multitude of arguments against the Rez. At least we understand why you think there is good evidence. We just disagree on your assessment.
You seem to not even accept that we have responded to your claims.
I find that incredibly disingenuous. Perhaps even sinful (false witness)?

Let me ask you, directly:

Are you aware that Atheists have provided answers according to our 'belief system' and would you be able to give them satisfactory description?