Simple Test to Disprove Christianity

[boatsnguitars]

1. Find Christians who claim to have a relationship with Jesus
2. Ask them individually a series of questions
3. Compare the answers.
4. If the answers don't line up, then it shows that Christians don't have a relationship with Jesus.
5. The most likely answer is that Jesus doesn't exist in the way Christians claim.

Some questions:
A. What was your favorite food as a child, Jesus?
B. What should America do about it's National Debt, if anything? What steps should be done to reduce it, or should it be reduced at all?
C. Where is my great-great-great-great-grandmother buried?
D. Are both Hitler and Anne Frank in Heaven?
E. What is the 1 billionth digit in Pi?

These are samples of questions that could be compared. (Obviously, you'd want a double-blind study, etc.)

Objections:

1. "Jesus/God doesn't work that way!"
This is obvious to non-believers, since it's exactly what you'd expect from a non-existent person in a "relationship". However, Christians who claim to have a relationship with Jesus are often heard all the ways Jesus talks to them:
"I was drinkin' and druggin' and bein' all bad, and I asked Jesus, "Jesus, should I stop all this self-destructive behavior?", and he said, "Yes.""
"I was unemployed, surfin' on my Mom's couch and she was naggin' me, so I prayed to Jesus, "Jesus, should I get a job?", and I heard him clear as a bell, "Yes"."

So, this is very simple. Ask Jesus better questions, otherwise, it appears Jesus is no better than an incel's mother telling him to get a job. We expect more from our deities, no?

2. "Well, not all Christians are being honest about their relationship with Jesus"
This is certain. Christians of all stripes lie about Jesus. There's a reason there are over 10,000 denominations, many of those led by men (usually men) who claim to have had a revelation from Jesus to start their church. The Pope, Fred Phelps, Marcion, etc. They've all claimed to have a relationship with Jesus in some way - and they've all been either lying, or Jesus is telling them different answers (so much for not being the author of confusion!).
In fact, can't we sum up all religions as started by liars?
Aren't all people stained by Original Sin and liars? Aren't 99% of all religions automatically wrong - started by liars? Why do we simply accept the claims of one person over another?

3. "OK, maybe everyone is a liar, except me! If I can answer all those questions correctly, then Christianity must be true."
Not so fast. Sure, if one person answered all the questions correctly, we'd have a data point. But with over 1 billion Christians in the world, we'd expect 1 person to randomly get it right.
Besides, Christianity claims - in it's own book (unless it's a lie) - that Jesus DESIRES a relationship with us. If only one person can answer those questions (that could also be answered randomly), that doesn't support the claims of Christianity.

4. "You can't test God!"
(Why not? How convenient!) But, we're not really testing God - we're testing the people's claims of having a relationship with Jesus. After all, Christians want us to accept that Jesus has told them x, y, z, and that's why we can't have Gay Marriage, or eat meat on Friday, or have premarital sex, etc. In other words, see #1, they are more than happy to tell us Jesus has spoken with them and told them the 'facts" (yet, Chrtistians disagree). This is exactly what you'd expect from a false religion.

Conclusion:
This is a simple test. Almost stupidly simple. Committed Christians will do everything they can to avoid ever having to take this test - which belies their motivation.
This would be perfectly normal in a real relationship. If you wanted to know if Warren Buffet existed (or if people who claimed to know him, actually knew him), you could simply ask a series of questions. The people who answer the same, and answer what only Buffet would know, are most likely the ones in a relationship with Buffet.
The fact is, there is no difference between "Christians relationship with Jesus" and "There is no Jesus".

Bonus round:
Not all religions claim to have this kind of relationship with God. Thus, making those religions more likely true (or, at least, more difficult to prove the negative; that they aren't true).
Therefore, if Christians want to make Pascal's Wager, they should pick a different religion.

Are any Christians here willing to take the test? Wouldn't you like to know if Jesus is real - or which Christians are false?

Important Note:
This test highlights not only why Christianity is false, but shows how vastly different our world would be if it were true.
If Christianity were true, and Jesus/God had actual relationships with the millions of people who claim to have this relationship, we'd see a vast agreement from all those Christians on all kinds of issues. Politics, parenting, science, math, etc: All these would be supercharged if we could tap into the knowledge of God.

Our legal system: "Jesus, did he kill his wife? No? OK, sir, you are free to go. We've been told it's your neighbor."

Parenting: "Should I spank my children? Oh, you say one of them will learn from it but the other will be forever scarred emotionally and never be able to form meaningful relationships? Wow, thanks, Jesus?"

I know Christians will claim Jesus doesn't want to give us the answers. But this is just an excuse - and a lie - since they claim Jesus does, in fact, give them answers on a number of things when it comes to them personally, or things that involve the culture war. How many Christians are convinced Jesus doesn't like abortion - despite those babies getting a free trip to God, without any of the pain and agony in this mortal life? (As one of many examples)

Thoughts?

[POI]

The bible itself is considered as historical evidence because it is a primary source . The new testament especially the gospel were written by men that were journeying with Jesus so it is an eyewitness account .

It's more rational to say the 4 Gospels were initially comprised by anonymous people who were quoting from circulating hearsay.

Many of the historical evidences we have today are primary sources in which many historic event were written by people that were there . Other non-christian historians that have written on Jesus are Joseph Flavius , Tacitus , Pliny the Younger

Joseph Flavius, Tacitus, and Pliny the Younger were born after Jesus died. So they could not have been there. Hence, they could not be primary sources to anything here. In this case, they wrote about what others believe. Just like I could do right now, 2K years later.

Another interesting factoid... When one investigates a specific writing from Josephus, it becomes apparently that what he wrote of Jesus was likely a forgery anyways. Hence, the plot thickens.

[Adonai Yahweh]

That does seem to be the belief.

Can you show it to be the truth?

I just gave you a correlation of how the whole concept is with psychology , the id is your fulfilling your pleasure , in Christianity that is considered evil . Because if you are always acting out of your pleasure it will negative affect those around you . Your superego is your morality , in Christianity that is basically the bible lets use the 10 commandments of the bible , if you read it there is nothing wrong with it as it helps you be a good person in relation to people and God .

[Adonai Yahweh]

Let's get specific, so we can settle this once and for all. God apparently says this:

"17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you." - Genesis 6

Was this command from God literal or metaphorical? When you ask Jesus, which one was it?

A) literal
B) metaphorical

As it stands right now, many many many earnest Christians are quite divided. Why would Jesus lead many astray here?

I've already answered this question its literal and metaphorical . Because it also metaphoric of the end times this confirmed in Matthew 24:36-38 which speaks about the end times in relation to Noah ark . Noah ark is also a foreshadow of the end times . I also explained that to understand this scripture , you must have an understanding of the bible (spiritual understanding ) . Lack of understanding of the concept will lead to differing answers and interpretations . For an example if you don't understand a topic well you will have differing answers from those who fully understand the topic . It is not a difficult thing to understand the idea something is true because everyone can come up with the same answer is a logical fallacy . Scientists can all agree with a particular theory but the theory is later found false due to new information , meaning what scientists believed in was incomplete information and understanding . The same is said with Christians with different answers some of the inferences made are from incomplete understanding and information .

[TRANSPONDER]

Let's get specific, so we can settle this once and for all. God apparently says this:

"17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you, and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you." - Genesis 6

Was this command from God literal or metaphorical? When you ask Jesus, which one was it?

A) literal
B) metaphorical

As it stands right now, many many many earnest Christians are quite divided. Why would Jesus lead many astray here?

I've already answered this question its literal and metaphorical . Because it also metaphoric of the end times this confirmed in Matthew 24:36-38 which speaks about the end times in relation to Noah ark . Noah ark is also a foreshadow of the end times . I also explained that to understand this scripture , you must have an understanding of the bible (spiritual understanding ) . Lack of understanding of the concept will lead to differing answers and interpretations . For an example if you don't understand a topic well you will have differing answers from those who fully understand the topic . It is not a difficult thing to understand the idea something is true because everyone can come up with the same answer is a logical fallacy . Scientists can all agree with a particular theory but the theory is later found false due to new information , meaning what scientists believed in was incomplete information and understanding . The same is said with Christians with different answers some of the inferences made are from incomplete understanding and information .

Very good.But it fails because, like science, there are some things in the Bible that will never be overturned by way of validation. The daylight will never be made before the sun just as the solar system will never revolve around the earth.

The sun will never have stood still (earth stopped rotating, that is) just as it will never have all life created 8,000 years ago. Nor will the evidence ever show that Tyre was not rebuilt as we know that it was, and you can't explain Biblical fallacies like that away as some kind of metaphor of a vague event still to happen.

Nor can the Nativities ever be made to tell the same story, John ever to have said 'The transfiguration happened!" or (when in time people realise it) will the resurrection - stories ever make for credible testimony.

The excuse of 'perhaps new evidence will appear to overturn everything' is as unconvincing to anyone already not wanting to be convinced as the excuse that it is metaphoric of the End Times. Unless you are making the case that Jesus knew Noah's flood never happened and just used it as a teaching - point.

That's fair enough, but you can't do it as an excuse for everything wrong with the Bible.

[Adonai Yahweh]

Very good.But it fails because, like science, there are some things in the Bible that will never be overturned by way of validation. The daylight will never be made before the sun just as the solar system will never revolve around the earth.

The sun will never have stood still (earth stopped rotating, that is) just as it will never have all life created 8,000 years ago. Nor will the evidence ever show that Tyre was not rebuilt as we know that it was, and you can't explain Biblical fallacies like that away as some kind of metaphor of a vague event still to happen.

Nor can the Nativities ever be made to tell the same story, John ever to have said 'The transfiguration happened!" or (when in time people realise it) will the resurrection - stories ever make for credible testimony.

The excuse of 'perhaps new evidence will appear to overturn everything' is as unconvincing to anyone already not wanting to be convinced as the excuse that it is metaphoric of the End Times. Unless you are making the case that Jesus knew Noah's flood never happened and just used it as a teaching - point.

That's fair enough, but you can't do it as an excuse for everything wrong with the Bible.

So a lack of evidence does not necessarily mean that an event did not take place . For an example we all remember the Malaysia Airline flight MH370 that went missing in 2014 that went missing without a trace .. until now they have not been able to find the remains of the aircraft or the missing 239 people that were abroad . A 1000 years from humans can be like the event never happened because they are no remains of the aircraft or the people on board and the primary and secondary evidence is limited . Another event are the ships and airplanes that went missing under the Bermuda triangle with no knowledge of what really happened to the passengers or the crew . Some the supernatural events that are written in the bible are written by the men that lived during that time and witnessed these events . For an example if you were to witness some strange as an alien ( mind you , you are not under the influence with anything ) and you documented it ... does that mean that your experience was false ? No , but it would definitely be hard for you to prove to the rest of the world that you saw an alien . Apart of from the supernatural events in the bible , other things like how it teaches us to be relational to other individuals is good for people's morality . So lets look at something as simple as the 10 commandments starting from rule 5-10 what is wrong with those principles ?

[JoeyKnothead]

That does seem to be the belief.

Can you show it to be the truth?

I just gave you a correlation of how the whole concept is with psychology , the id is your fulfilling your pleasure , in Christianity that is considered evil .

Good googly moogly, do you not understand the difference between "considered" and "is"?

Because if you are always acting out of your pleasure it will negative affect those around you.

Tell that to all them Christians oppressing the gays and wimmins.

Your superego is your morality , in Christianity that is basically the bible lets use the 10 commandments of the bible , if you read it there is nothing wrong with it as it helps you be a good person in relation to people and God .

What's wrong with it is your inability to show a god gives a tinker's dang about the doings of humans.

Next time, try to present facts instead of preaching.

[Adonai Yahweh]

Good googly moogly, do you not understand the difference between "considered" and "is"?

oh my is the best argument you can bring up .... i did not expect much anyways

Tell that to all them Christians oppressing the gays and wimmins.

The LGBTQIA is the most protected and advocated minority group in the world . With representatives in every industry including men and women sports . The oppression you speak of is basically nonexistent in current times . Many churches welcome members of the LGBTQIA like the EACA and the Episcopal Church . Because the gospel is for all people . Boo hoo another propagation of false claims .

What's wrong with it is your inability to show a god gives a tinker's dang about the doings of humans.

Presumption inhibits Comprehension . (Proverbs 18:2 )

Next time, try to present facts instead of preaching.

Next time try to present facts instead of an emotional appeal

[Tcg]

oh my is the best argument you can bring up .... i did not expect much anyways

Boo hoo another propagation of false claims .

Presumption inhibits Comprehension . (Proverbs 18:2 )

Next time try to present facts instead of an emotional appeal

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[JoeyKnothead]

Good googly moogly, do you not understand the difference between "considered" and "is"?

oh my is the best argument you can bring up .... i did not expect much anyways.

You present your opinion of evil as if it should mean something to non-Christians.

The LGBTQIA is the most protected and advocated minority group in the world . With representatives in every industry including men and women sports . The oppression you speak of is basically nonexistent in current times . Many churches welcome members of the LGBTQIA like the EACA and the Episcopal Church . Because the gospel is for all people . Boo hoo another propagation of false claims .

Homosexuals face oppression beyond the legal system. Women too.

What's wrong with it is your inability to show a god gives a tinker's dang about the doings of humans.

Presumption inhibits Comprehension . (Proverbs 18:2 )

The liar lies and the preacher preaches (Joey4:20)

Next time, try to present facts instead of preaching.

Next time try to present facts instead of an emotional appeal

I know you are but what am I.

As ever, the theist struggles to prove their "considered" 'evil' is anything but opinion.

[TRANSPONDER]

Very good.But it fails because, like science, there are some things in the Bible that will never be overturned by way of validation. The daylight will never be made before the sun just as the solar system will never revolve around the earth.

The sun will never have stood still (earth stopped rotating, that is) just as it will never have all life created 8,000 years ago. Nor will the evidence ever show that Tyre was not rebuilt as we know that it was, and you can't explain Biblical fallacies like that away as some kind of metaphor of a vague event still to happen.

Nor can the Nativities ever be made to tell the same story, John ever to have said 'The transfiguration happened!" or (when in time people realise it) will the resurrection - stories ever make for credible testimony.

The excuse of 'perhaps new evidence will appear to overturn everything' is as unconvincing to anyone already not wanting to be convinced as the excuse that it is metaphoric of the End Times. Unless you are making the case that Jesus knew Noah's flood never happened and just used it as a teaching - point.

That's fair enough, but you can't do it as an excuse for everything wrong with the Bible.

So a lack of evidence does not necessarily mean that an event did not take place . For an example we all remember the Malaysia Airline flight MH370 that went missing in 2014 that went missing without a trace .. until now they have not been able to find the remains of the aircraft or the missing 239 people that were abroad . A 1000 years from humans can be like the event never happened because they are no remains of the aircraft or the people on board and the primary and secondary evidence is limited . Another event are the ships and airplanes that went missing under the Bermuda triangle with no knowledge of what really happened to the passengers or the crew . Some the supernatural events that are written in the bible are written by the men that lived during that time and witnessed these events . For an example if you were to witness some strange as an alien ( mind you , you are not under the influence with anything ) and you documented it ... does that mean that your experience was false ? No , but it would definitely be hard for you to prove to the rest of the world that you saw an alien . Apart of from the supernatural events in the bible , other things like how it teaches us to be relational to other individuals is good for people's morality . So lets look at something as simple as the 10 commandments starting from rule 5-10 what is wrong with those principles ?

A contradiction of what is known (as in the sun did not stand still) is not 'lack of evidence'. The evidence is compelling that Genesis is wrong, that Exodus is very questionable, in fact I'd say close to debunked, the prophecy of Tyre is disproved, the Nativities are disproved (the final gap for god of the missing governorship is now closed, by an expansion of the governorship of Varus) and the resurrection stories are better understood as unreliable than I thought (that Paulonia vid I ferretted out shows the Experts have already thought of a lot of the stuff I did).

In short it is not a question of lack of evidence; there is plenty of evidence and it debunks the Bible. The problem is, you don't know it because you have just read Bible apologetics. If you are going to make a case here, you need to know ALL the arguments, not just the one - sided propaganda of the Bible apologists.

You also seem woefully ignorant about the Malaysia flight. Evidence has told us roughly where it is. We are pretty sure what happened and we even suspect why. The pilot had a simulated plan of the route, he flew a controlled route intended to avoid traffic control query, and the flight seems controlled to the end, judging by the wreckage. Motive is still unclear, but the China Eastern airline flight is now on evidence surely a deliberate crash by a depressed and despairing pilot. It happens.

We may not have ALL the evidence or answers, but we have enough to know that the Bible is at worst dead wrong, at best misrepresting the facts and is generally not to be trusted.

You argument from aliens and indeed 1000 years from our future is back to front and self -serving, like all theist reasoning. The way it works is that if you claim you saw an ET alien, the burden of proof is on you to validate it, not on anyone to disprove it. It is an extraordinary claim and requires extraordinary proof that it is true. It is frustrating for someone who came face to face with Bigfoot not to be believed, but just the claim itself proves nothing, it requires evidence. And other claims of hearing strange howls or seeing Bigfoot by others is not good evidence; like they say, the plural of anecdote is not 'Data'. Funny how you appeal to the Bermuda triangle as support for your Bible claim. Aside that I am familiar with using ancient Pyramid technology claims to validate the Bible (how? It debunks science so any faith - claim is more true) but using crackpot beliefs to support the Bible only makes that look like a crackpot belief, too.

So sorry, appeal to everything we don't know and trying to play epistemological doubts in hopes to make Bibleclaims (but none of the others,of course) more valid, just shows that you really have no evidence.

What more you got? Well, considering that Judaism hi -jacked the basic morals found in pretty much all societies, 'Don't kill anyone that God doesn't tell you to, hands off my wife, that's my bike', that there isn't anything wrong with commandments 5- 10 validates human morals, not the Bible. That effort just shows the basic dishonesty of Bible apologetics.