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20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
HEY! Look over there. It's a pigeon.
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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:22 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:14 pm Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.
Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.
Please answer the question. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Serpents cant speak-thus 1+1= 2
Or as I say, it is a tall story, like a lot of Genesis. Why should I think the talking serpent story is true?

Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
So is yours, if Islam is true. Tell me why you don't believe that religion. Hint - we already did 'Muslims don't recognise Jesus' (yours or someone else). and that doesn't work. Not least because the Jews don't either so that's Christianity outvoted.

Bottom double line 'Which god?' and Pascal's wager is a fail.

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:06 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:22 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:14 pm Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.
Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.
Please answer the question. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Serpents cant speak-thus 1+1= 2
Or as I say, it is a tall story, like a lot of Genesis. Why should I think the talking serpent story is true?

Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
So is yours, if Islam is true. Tell me why you don't believe that religion. Hint - we already did 'Muslims don't recognise Jesus' (yours or someone else). and that doesn't work. Not least because the Jews don't either so that's Christianity outvoted.

Bottom double line 'Which god?' and Pascal's wager is a fail.

True God worship history= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) whosent his son-Jesus the Messiah on mankinds behalf. Much more than a mere prophet.

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:15 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:06 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:22 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:14 pm Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.
Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.
Please answer the question. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Serpents cant speak-thus 1+1= 2
Or as I say, it is a tall story, like a lot of Genesis. Why should I think the talking serpent story is true?

Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
So is yours, if Islam is true. Tell me why you don't believe that religion. Hint - we already did 'Muslims don't recognise Jesus' (yours or someone else). and that doesn't work. Not least because the Jews don't either so that's Christianity outvoted.

Bottom double line 'Which god?' and Pascal's wager is a fail.

True God worship history= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) whosent his son-Jesus the Messiah on mankinds behalf. Much more than a mere prophet.
You are simply asserting the Christian claims as true. As I said, both Islam and Judaism reject this. Why do you believe Christianity and reject Islam? The point being that unless you have very sound reasons for doing so (more than just faithclaims) your 'Life' is as much under threat as mine. even without getting into whether you have the right denomination of Christianity or even the right Scriptual Interpretation.

"Hi. welcome to Hell, first day? What are you in for?"

"Idolatry, lying, Blaspheming, fornication and drunkenness. What are you in for?"

"Misinterpreting 'Aios'."

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:28 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:15 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:06 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:22 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:45 pm
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 5:14 pm Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.
Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.
Please answer the question. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Serpents cant speak-thus 1+1= 2
Or as I say, it is a tall story, like a lot of Genesis. Why should I think the talking serpent story is true?

Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
So is yours, if Islam is true. Tell me why you don't believe that religion. Hint - we already did 'Muslims don't recognise Jesus' (yours or someone else). and that doesn't work. Not least because the Jews don't either so that's Christianity outvoted.

Bottom double line 'Which god?' and Pascal's wager is a fail.

True God worship history= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) whosent his son-Jesus the Messiah on mankinds behalf. Much more than a mere prophet.
You are simply asserting the Christian claims as true. As I said, both Islam and Judaism reject this. Why do you believe Christianity and reject Islam? The point being that unless you have very sound reasons for doing so (more than just faithclaims) your 'Life' is as much under threat as mine. even without getting into whether you have the right denomination of Christianity or even the right Scriptual Interpretation.

"Hi. welcome to Hell, first day? What are you in for?"

"Idolatry, lying, Blaspheming, fornication and drunkenness. What are you in for?"

"Misinterpreting 'Aios'."

Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
You seem to be saying that

Sheol = the grave
Hades = the grave
Hell = the grave

And no one survives death in any form. Is this correct?

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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Miles wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
You seem to be saying that

Sheol = the grave
Hades = the grave
Hell = the grave

And no one survives death in any form. Is this correct?

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It is correct. There would no sense of death if one went on. There is no life in death. Jesus likened it to sleep. One is not aware of ones surroundings in sleep.

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
You seem to be saying that

Sheol = the grave
Hades = the grave
Hell = the grave

And no one survives death in any form. Is this correct?

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It is correct. There would no sense of death if one went on. There is no life in death. Jesus likened it to sleep. One is not aware of ones surroundings in sleep.
Assuming your definition of death is the common one, a "permanent cessation of all vital functions including brain activity" how does Jesus fit into the picture, if at all?

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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Miles wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 4:02 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
You seem to be saying that

Sheol = the grave
Hades = the grave
Hell = the grave

And no one survives death in any form. Is this correct?

.
It is correct. There would no sense of death if one went on. There is no life in death. Jesus likened it to sleep. One is not aware of ones surroundings in sleep.
Assuming your definition of death is the common one, a "permanent cessation of all vital functions including brain activity" how does Jesus fit into the picture, if at all?

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All sin is acquitted at death. One cannot be retried for them. So during the resurrection, one gets an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will with no satan influences around. But then he gets loosed for a little while to test their faith, many fail but the faithful get their names written in Gods book of life. A very loving provision from God to give them a second opportunity.

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Re: 20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

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kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:28 am
kjw47 wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 4:15 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Sat Mar 25, 2023 7:06 am
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 3:11 pm
TRANSPONDER wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:31 pm
kjw47 wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 1:22 pm
brunumb wrote: Fri Mar 24, 2023 12:37 am
kjw47 wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 8:33 pm
brunumb wrote: Thu Mar 23, 2023 6:45 pm

Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.
Please answer the question. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Serpents cant speak-thus 1+1= 2
Or as I say, it is a tall story, like a lot of Genesis. Why should I think the talking serpent story is true?

Your life everlasting is on the line, you tell me why you should believe?
So is yours, if Islam is true. Tell me why you don't believe that religion. Hint - we already did 'Muslims don't recognise Jesus' (yours or someone else). and that doesn't work. Not least because the Jews don't either so that's Christianity outvoted.

Bottom double line 'Which god?' and Pascal's wager is a fail.

True God worship history= a single being God= YHWH(Jehovah) whosent his son-Jesus the Messiah on mankinds behalf. Much more than a mere prophet.
You are simply asserting the Christian claims as true. As I said, both Islam and Judaism reject this. Why do you believe Christianity and reject Islam? The point being that unless you have very sound reasons for doing so (more than just faithclaims) your 'Life' is as much under threat as mine. even without getting into whether you have the right denomination of Christianity or even the right Scriptual Interpretation.

"Hi. welcome to Hell, first day? What are you in for?"

"Idolatry, lying, Blaspheming, fornication and drunkenness. What are you in for?"

"Misinterpreting 'Aios'."

Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
I never claimed there was.
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:43 pm
Miles wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 3:05 pm
kjw47 wrote: Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:26 pm
Sheol( Hebrew) = Hades( Greek) = Hell= the grave. There is no life in death.
You seem to be saying that

Sheol = the grave
Hades = the grave
Hell = the grave

And no one survives death in any form. Is this correct?

.
It is correct. There would no sense of death if one went on. There is no life in death. Jesus likened it to sleep. One is not aware of ones surroundings in sleep.
Don't read too much into that as a metaphor, I'm surprised by how much events in my surroundings intrude into my sleep. But that aside, what's your point?

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