20 Terrible Ideas from the New Testament

[Compassionist]

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[kjw47]

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

Because it's self -delusion. Just as Christian would say of someone who is drawn to Krishna or Allah. We atheists just say it about one more rejected god -claim.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

I used to be a devout Christian. I was delusional and believed that God was with me. There are lots of Christians who believe they are saved because of John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The problem is that it is a lie. Christians perish just as much as non-Christians do even though the verse claims that they shall not perish. Christianity is a reward-after-death scam. Just like Islam and all the other religions that claim eternal life after death. If they were true, it would be eternal life without having to die at all.

The trinity religions do not have God. God was never a trinity and their scholars know its fact yet say nothing.
The only ones who may never die are those who live through the tribulation and Armageddon. The first death isn't permanent for most. A resurrection into Gods kingdom is promised. And since the wages of sin is death, all past sins have been paid for, thus the resurrected get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will under ideal circumstances( no satan influence) in Gods kingdom on earth--then satan gets loosed for a little while to test the resurrected's faith, Rev 20: 8-9 shows many will follow him still and get destroyed forever. The ones who remain faithful get their names written in Gods book of life-everlasting life. All signs show Gods kingdom approaching rapidly. You can choose to live forever by serving the true God now=YHWH(Jehovah)

You misunderstand and misinterpret what 'trinity religion' is. It is One god, doing three things. Once you preach your false reasoning you pin a bunch of faithclaims onto it...the dorstoop speil I mentioned in another post just now. and finishing it up with the 'sign up or Die' ultimatum. It's always a good laugh.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

<groan> According to you he IS there.
So, once again, how do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They reasoned falsely, they let satan win. A hand picked apostle did just that=Judas. Imagine all the miracles he saw Jesus do, yet still fell to satan.

There's another false ploy. Use the thing being questioned as evidence for the thing being questioned - a dubious and propagandist story which we doubters do not have to credit used as evidence that those who saw the story was false are doing what the person in the story did wrong. Don't you see that this is not evidence that those who saw the Belief was wrong were deluded by the satan you haven't proved was real anyway?

It's absolutely the faithbased apologetics that skew all the faithbased apologetics.

So then you let satan beat you and are proud of it right?

I see no reason to believe in Satan, and when I read the account he looks more like a messenger - boy, enforcer and gofer for God, not an opponent. it would explain why he is let loose and God does nothing about it.

No, i do not believe in Satan, even before we get into whether various religions and churches would make more sense as the tools of Satan to ruin men and wreck society.

No, I prefer evidence, logic, reason and humanism, and I'm not ashamed of that. After all even the religious apologists claim to use evidence, reason and logic, even if they actually use science - denial, faithclaims, inhumanity (1) and sophistry.

but you go right on, mud - slinging, bitter accusations and general displays of very good reasons for people to have nothing to do with Christianity unless it is very easy -going

.(1) you think not? Hellthreat, original sin, subjugation of women and excusing genocide and slavery just for starters. That's without getting in religious history and recent activities.

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice. But there is no path to lasting happiness without God. knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.
God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

[JoeyKnothead]

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice.

If only we could find a means of confirming what God's advice would be.

But there is no path to lasting happiness without God.

I reject any theist's attempt to diminish my happiness simply because I reject their goofy beliefs.

knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.

I'm uncertain about what this means. I do know it's bad to restrict the rights and freedoms, and happiness of others based on the imagined opinions of a god one can't show exists.

God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

I challenge you to show you speak truth in this regard.

[JoeyKnothead]

Forgiveness has nothing to do with it. They paid in full the wages of sin= death. They do not owe those wages once resurrected. Its their own bad choice to follow satan again and throw away everlasting life.

Obviously forgiveness has nothing to do with it, when the god in question is incapable of doing him any of it.

[TRANSPONDER]

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

Because it's self -delusion. Just as Christian would say of someone who is drawn to Krishna or Allah. We atheists just say it about one more rejected god -claim.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

I used to be a devout Christian. I was delusional and believed that God was with me. There are lots of Christians who believe they are saved because of John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The problem is that it is a lie. Christians perish just as much as non-Christians do even though the verse claims that they shall not perish. Christianity is a reward-after-death scam. Just like Islam and all the other religions that claim eternal life after death. If they were true, it would be eternal life without having to die at all.

The trinity religions do not have God. God was never a trinity and their scholars know its fact yet say nothing.
The only ones who may never die are those who live through the tribulation and Armageddon. The first death isn't permanent for most. A resurrection into Gods kingdom is promised. And since the wages of sin is death, all past sins have been paid for, thus the resurrected get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will under ideal circumstances( no satan influence) in Gods kingdom on earth--then satan gets loosed for a little while to test the resurrected's faith, Rev 20: 8-9 shows many will follow him still and get destroyed forever. The ones who remain faithful get their names written in Gods book of life-everlasting life. All signs show Gods kingdom approaching rapidly. You can choose to live forever by serving the true God now=YHWH(Jehovah)

You misunderstand and misinterpret what 'trinity religion' is. It is One god, doing three things. Once you preach your false reasoning you pin a bunch of faithclaims onto it...the dorstoop speil I mentioned in another post just now. and finishing it up with the 'sign up or Die' ultimatum. It's always a good laugh.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

<groan> According to you he IS there.
So, once again, how do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They reasoned falsely, they let satan win. A hand picked apostle did just that=Judas. Imagine all the miracles he saw Jesus do, yet still fell to satan.

There's another false ploy. Use the thing being questioned as evidence for the thing being questioned - a dubious and propagandist story which we doubters do not have to credit used as evidence that those who saw the story was false are doing what the person in the story did wrong. Don't you see that this is not evidence that those who saw the Belief was wrong were deluded by the satan you haven't proved was real anyway?

It's absolutely the faithbased apologetics that skew all the faithbased apologetics.

So then you let satan beat you and are proud of it right?

I see no reason to believe in Satan, and when I read the account he looks more like a messenger - boy, enforcer and gofer for God, not an opponent. it would explain why he is let loose and God does nothing about it.

No, i do not believe in Satan, even before we get into whether various religions and churches would make more sense as the tools of Satan to ruin men and wreck society.

No, I prefer evidence, logic, reason and humanism, and I'm not ashamed of that. After all even the religious apologists claim to use evidence, reason and logic, even if they actually use science - denial, faithclaims, inhumanity (1) and sophistry.

but you go right on, mud - slinging, bitter accusations and general displays of very good reasons for people to have nothing to do with Christianity unless it is very easy -going

.(1) you think not? Hellthreat, original sin, subjugation of women and excusing genocide and slavery just for starters. That's without getting in religious history and recent activities.

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice. But there is no path to lasting happiness without God. knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.
God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

Even if that made sense it makes no sense. Suppose we are left to choose our own oath, then fine. On an overall view it's better than when religion gets involved. Even aside punishing us for not believing in whichever religion is his. even if we chose morals and ethics over orders, why let Satan run things, especially when God apparently does. No, your preaching doesn't persuade me and i fail to see how it can persuade anyone else. Apart from telling tall stories and explanations that just make more puzzles, what have you got that would convince anyone with a few doubts, let alone some who doesn't believe any of it, overall?

[kjw47]

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

Because it's self -delusion. Just as Christian would say of someone who is drawn to Krishna or Allah. We atheists just say it about one more rejected god -claim.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

I used to be a devout Christian. I was delusional and believed that God was with me. There are lots of Christians who believe they are saved because of John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The problem is that it is a lie. Christians perish just as much as non-Christians do even though the verse claims that they shall not perish. Christianity is a reward-after-death scam. Just like Islam and all the other religions that claim eternal life after death. If they were true, it would be eternal life without having to die at all.

The trinity religions do not have God. God was never a trinity and their scholars know its fact yet say nothing.
The only ones who may never die are those who live through the tribulation and Armageddon. The first death isn't permanent for most. A resurrection into Gods kingdom is promised. And since the wages of sin is death, all past sins have been paid for, thus the resurrected get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will under ideal circumstances( no satan influence) in Gods kingdom on earth--then satan gets loosed for a little while to test the resurrected's faith, Rev 20: 8-9 shows many will follow him still and get destroyed forever. The ones who remain faithful get their names written in Gods book of life-everlasting life. All signs show Gods kingdom approaching rapidly. You can choose to live forever by serving the true God now=YHWH(Jehovah)

You misunderstand and misinterpret what 'trinity religion' is. It is One god, doing three things. Once you preach your false reasoning you pin a bunch of faithclaims onto it...the dorstoop speil I mentioned in another post just now. and finishing it up with the 'sign up or Die' ultimatum. It's always a good laugh.

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

<groan> According to you he IS there.
So, once again, how do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They reasoned falsely, they let satan win. A hand picked apostle did just that=Judas. Imagine all the miracles he saw Jesus do, yet still fell to satan.

There's another false ploy. Use the thing being questioned as evidence for the thing being questioned - a dubious and propagandist story which we doubters do not have to credit used as evidence that those who saw the story was false are doing what the person in the story did wrong. Don't you see that this is not evidence that those who saw the Belief was wrong were deluded by the satan you haven't proved was real anyway?

It's absolutely the faithbased apologetics that skew all the faithbased apologetics.

So then you let satan beat you and are proud of it right?

I see no reason to believe in Satan, and when I read the account he looks more like a messenger - boy, enforcer and gofer for God, not an opponent. it would explain why he is let loose and God does nothing about it.

No, i do not believe in Satan, even before we get into whether various religions and churches would make more sense as the tools of Satan to ruin men and wreck society.

No, I prefer evidence, logic, reason and humanism, and I'm not ashamed of that. After all even the religious apologists claim to use evidence, reason and logic, even if they actually use science - denial, faithclaims, inhumanity (1) and sophistry.

but you go right on, mud - slinging, bitter accusations and general displays of very good reasons for people to have nothing to do with Christianity unless it is very easy -going

.(1) you think not? Hellthreat, original sin, subjugation of women and excusing genocide and slavery just for starters. That's without getting in religious history and recent activities.

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice. But there is no path to lasting happiness without God. knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.
God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

Even if that made sense it makes no sense. Suppose we are left to choose our own oath, then fine. On an overall view it's better than when religion gets involved. Even aside punishing us for not believing in whichever religion is his. even if we chose morals and ethics over orders, why let Satan run things, especially when God apparently does. No, your preaching doesn't persuade me and i fail to see how it can persuade anyone else. Apart from telling tall stories and explanations that just make more puzzles, what have you got that would convince anyone with a few doubts, let alone some who doesn't believe any of it, overall?

God gave us his written word. We choose with our free will who we listen to.

[TRANSPONDER]

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

Because it's self -delusion. Just as Christian would say of someone who is drawn to Krishna or Allah. We atheists just say it about one more rejected god -claim.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

I used to be a devout Christian. I was delusional and believed that God was with me. There are lots of Christians who believe they are saved because of John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The problem is that it is a lie. Christians perish just as much as non-Christians do even though the verse claims that they shall not perish. Christianity is a reward-after-death scam. Just like Islam and all the other religions that claim eternal life after death. If they were true, it would be eternal life without having to die at all.

The trinity religions do not have God. God was never a trinity and their scholars know its fact yet say nothing.
The only ones who may never die are those who live through the tribulation and Armageddon. The first death isn't permanent for most. A resurrection into Gods kingdom is promised. And since the wages of sin is death, all past sins have been paid for, thus the resurrected get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will under ideal circumstances( no satan influence) in Gods kingdom on earth--then satan gets loosed for a little while to test the resurrected's faith, Rev 20: 8-9 shows many will follow him still and get destroyed forever. The ones who remain faithful get their names written in Gods book of life-everlasting life. All signs show Gods kingdom approaching rapidly. You can choose to live forever by serving the true God now=YHWH(Jehovah)

You misunderstand and misinterpret what 'trinity religion' is. It is One god, doing three things. Once you preach your false reasoning you pin a bunch of faithclaims onto it...the dorstoop speil I mentioned in another post just now. and finishing it up with the 'sign up or Die' ultimatum. It's always a good laugh.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

<groan> According to you he IS there.
So, once again, how do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They reasoned falsely, they let satan win. A hand picked apostle did just that=Judas. Imagine all the miracles he saw Jesus do, yet still fell to satan.

There's another false ploy. Use the thing being questioned as evidence for the thing being questioned - a dubious and propagandist story which we doubters do not have to credit used as evidence that those who saw the story was false are doing what the person in the story did wrong. Don't you see that this is not evidence that those who saw the Belief was wrong were deluded by the satan you haven't proved was real anyway?

It's absolutely the faithbased apologetics that skew all the faithbased apologetics.

So then you let satan beat you and are proud of it right?

I see no reason to believe in Satan, and when I read the account he looks more like a messenger - boy, enforcer and gofer for God, not an opponent. it would explain why he is let loose and God does nothing about it.

No, i do not believe in Satan, even before we get into whether various religions and churches would make more sense as the tools of Satan to ruin men and wreck society.

No, I prefer evidence, logic, reason and humanism, and I'm not ashamed of that. After all even the religious apologists claim to use evidence, reason and logic, even if they actually use science - denial, faithclaims, inhumanity (1) and sophistry.

but you go right on, mud - slinging, bitter accusations and general displays of very good reasons for people to have nothing to do with Christianity unless it is very easy -going

.(1) you think not? Hellthreat, original sin, subjugation of women and excusing genocide and slavery just for starters. That's without getting in religious history and recent activities.

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice. But there is no path to lasting happiness without God. knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.
God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

Even if that made sense it makes no sense. Suppose we are left to choose our own oath, then fine. On an overall view it's better than when religion gets involved. Even aside punishing us for not believing in whichever religion is his. even if we chose morals and ethics over orders, why let Satan run things, especially when God apparently does. No, your preaching doesn't persuade me and i fail to see how it can persuade anyone else. Apart from telling tall stories and explanations that just make more puzzles, what have you got that would convince anyone with a few doubts, let alone some who doesn't believe any of it, overall?

God gave us his written word. We choose with our free will who we listen to.

I suggest the soundest way of arriving at correct conclusions is to choose to follow the evidence, not dismiss it in favour of Biblefaith. Which is what you do when you say that Adam and Eve listened to a talking serpent and the evidence says serpents can't talk and so the story is dubious. Just as the evidence shows the order of creation to be dubious, and the feasibility of the flood and Ark being dubious and in fact the whole of genesis being dubious.

[kjw47]

Few know the true God-YHWH(Jehovah) --most are mislead into worshipping false gods.

How do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

Because it's self -delusion. Just as Christian would say of someone who is drawn to Krishna or Allah. We atheists just say it about one more rejected god -claim.

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

I used to be a devout Christian. I was delusional and believed that God was with me. There are lots of Christians who believe they are saved because of John 3:16 which says "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." The problem is that it is a lie. Christians perish just as much as non-Christians do even though the verse claims that they shall not perish. Christianity is a reward-after-death scam. Just like Islam and all the other religions that claim eternal life after death. If they were true, it would be eternal life without having to die at all.

The trinity religions do not have God. God was never a trinity and their scholars know its fact yet say nothing.
The only ones who may never die are those who live through the tribulation and Armageddon. The first death isn't permanent for most. A resurrection into Gods kingdom is promised. And since the wages of sin is death, all past sins have been paid for, thus the resurrected get an opportunity to learn and apply Gods will under ideal circumstances( no satan influence) in Gods kingdom on earth--then satan gets loosed for a little while to test the resurrected's faith, Rev 20: 8-9 shows many will follow him still and get destroyed forever. The ones who remain faithful get their names written in Gods book of life-everlasting life. All signs show Gods kingdom approaching rapidly. You can choose to live forever by serving the true God now=YHWH(Jehovah)

You misunderstand and misinterpret what 'trinity religion' is. It is One god, doing three things. Once you preach your false reasoning you pin a bunch of faithclaims onto it...the dorstoop speil I mentioned in another post just now. and finishing it up with the 'sign up or Die' ultimatum. It's always a good laugh.

They let this heart-Jeremiah 17:9 get the best of them then. And they falsely reasoned. Your post doesn't make sense. How could God draw them close if he wasn't there?

<groan> According to you he IS there.
So, once again, how do you account for those who drew close to God-YHWH(Jehovah) , who therefore drew them close to him, but they ultimately realised he wasn't real?

They reasoned falsely, they let satan win. A hand picked apostle did just that=Judas. Imagine all the miracles he saw Jesus do, yet still fell to satan.

There's another false ploy. Use the thing being questioned as evidence for the thing being questioned - a dubious and propagandist story which we doubters do not have to credit used as evidence that those who saw the story was false are doing what the person in the story did wrong. Don't you see that this is not evidence that those who saw the Belief was wrong were deluded by the satan you haven't proved was real anyway?

It's absolutely the faithbased apologetics that skew all the faithbased apologetics.

So then you let satan beat you and are proud of it right?

I see no reason to believe in Satan, and when I read the account he looks more like a messenger - boy, enforcer and gofer for God, not an opponent. it would explain why he is let loose and God does nothing about it.

No, i do not believe in Satan, even before we get into whether various religions and churches would make more sense as the tools of Satan to ruin men and wreck society.

No, I prefer evidence, logic, reason and humanism, and I'm not ashamed of that. After all even the religious apologists claim to use evidence, reason and logic, even if they actually use science - denial, faithclaims, inhumanity (1) and sophistry.

but you go right on, mud - slinging, bitter accusations and general displays of very good reasons for people to have nothing to do with Christianity unless it is very easy -going

.(1) you think not? Hellthreat, original sin, subjugation of women and excusing genocide and slavery just for starters. That's without getting in religious history and recent activities.

God will do something about it. But mortals chose this satan ruled system by their rebellion in Eden. So God let them have it to see if satan was correct and its best for mortals to know both good and bad and choose their own path to lasting happiness without listening to Gods advice. But there is no path to lasting happiness without God. knowing bad sucks. And death comes along with that.
God created mortals to know only good and live forever, they threw it away.

Even if that made sense it makes no sense. Suppose we are left to choose our own oath, then fine. On an overall view it's better than when religion gets involved. Even aside punishing us for not believing in whichever religion is his. even if we chose morals and ethics over orders, why let Satan run things, especially when God apparently does. No, your preaching doesn't persuade me and i fail to see how it can persuade anyone else. Apart from telling tall stories and explanations that just make more puzzles, what have you got that would convince anyone with a few doubts, let alone some who doesn't believe any of it, overall?

God gave us his written word. We choose with our free will who we listen to.

I suggest the soundest way of arriving at correct conclusions is to choose to follow the evidence, not dismiss it in favour of Biblefaith. Which is what you do when you say that Adam and Eve listened to a talking serpent and the evidence says serpents can't talk and so the story is dubious. Just as the evidence shows the order of creation to be dubious, and the feasibility of the flood and Ark being dubious and in fact the whole of genesis being dubious.

Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent. Jesus was an eye witness of Noahs day. He compares these last days to Noahs day. Luke 17:26) Are you saying he lied?

[brunumb]

Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.

Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

[kjw47]

Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.

Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.

[TRANSPONDER]

Your false reasoning misleads you. It was the fallen angel who spoke through the serpent.

Your religious bias misleads you. Where is the evidence that an angel spoke through the serpent?

Even the false scholars know it was the fallen angel-satan who spoke through the serpent.

Again makes no sense, even aside it's a myth and the Bible just says it was the serpent who was the smartest of the animals, not occupied by Satan, which it never fails to claim when it needs to. It makes no sense that God who had beaten Satan already let him bring this whole set up scenario into working to bring down man - unless that was God's intention. Which again just makes Satan look like God's gofor...though why the serpent would be punished by having to slither around like it always had makes no sense. Again.

And Jesus didn't even know who had touched his robe, let alone what had happened back in Noah's day. No, Jesus at best was just saying what everyone believed in his day as a teaching -point, not what he knew was true.