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Becoming a child of light.

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Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm
Bobcat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 pm Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?
We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
It is not a who but a what. Remember, God is spirit.
What Spirit is God?
Who is the Spirit of God?

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm
Bobcat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 pm Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?
We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm
Bobcat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 pm Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?
We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm
Bobcat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 pm Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?
We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm
Bobcat wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:42 pm Jesus describes how to become a child of light.

“While you have the light, BELIEVE in the light and you will become a child of light.” John 12:36

Was Jesus saying not everyone is a child of light?
We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:27 am
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm

We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:27 am
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:05 pm

We have to remember that Jesus did not speak without parables. Therefore everything the Word of God says must be interpreted and understood in light of the whole word of God. First we need to be clear what or who the light is that Christ is referring to.

John 8:12 (KJV 1900)
Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 9:5 (KJV 1900)
As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.


So, the light is Jesus Christ himself. So we can understand John 12:36 to say, "while you have Christ (the light of the world), or while salvation is still possible, believe in Christ and you will become a child of the Lord Jesus Christ. So, not since not everyone believes in Christ, not everyone is a child of God (Christ). And then we have to understand the command to "believe", as this command has caused many to stumble into a salvation by works gospel. We know that no one ever became saved by their own works of righteousness, meaning, by keeping any commandment of God, yet somehow, this has become their stumbling stone because they think that if they do this one thing that they will be saved. This they do, neglecting the principle that Christ spoke in parables and so they take this passage and many others that talk about believing, at face value. But the truth of the scriptures is that one believes because they have become saved, not to become saved.

So, in John 12:32, Christ told us that one day the light of the world would no longer shine, meaning that one day, the door to salvation would close and the light of the world would no longer shine. And since salvation was all the work of Christ, we can understand that he's telling us the same thing here, that one day the work of salvation would come to an end. While it was day, meaning, while the light was in the world.

John 9:4 (KJV 1900)
I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.


And we know that the works of Christ is that of salvation.

John 6:28–29 (KJV 1900)
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


But the spiritual day (or day of salvation) came to and end at the end of the great tribulation period.

Matthew 24:29 (KJV 1900)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


The sun here, is a spiritual reference to Christ.

Psalm 84:11 (KJV 1900)
For the LORD God is a sun and shield:
The LORD will give grace and glory:
No good thing will he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”
What is the purpose of you posting random quotes from any book written by other men,
to which you yourself do not comprehend nor will ever attempt to give us any explanation whatsoever
for the fear of knowing if you try to do so, you will only become entangled within your own words
and prove what we already have known of you all alone.

What does this do for you?

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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WinkyDinky wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:02 pm
Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:27 am
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 8:58 pm

A typical answer from a Christian. But no it is not Jesus who is the light. It is a bit deeper than that.

As scripture says;

“The LORD shall be your light forever, your God shall be your glory.”
Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”
What is the purpose of you posting random quotes from any book written by other men,
to which you yourself do not comprehend nor will ever attempt to give us any explanation whatsoever
for the fear of knowing if you try to do so, you will only become entangled within your own words
and prove what we already have known of you all alone.

What does this do for you?
The purpose is to do the will of God.

Because I don’t explain it to you, you think I don’t know it’s meaning but no the reason is you are not deserving if you were you would keep God’s word and live in His love.

“Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:02 pm
Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:27 am
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm
Eddie Ramos wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 10:07 pm

Well, the scripture you posted says the exact same thing I said in my previous post. The "LORD" is JEHOVAH which is another name for Jesus.

Jeremiah 23:6 (KJV 1900)
In his days (in the days of Jesus) Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, JEHOVAH OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”
What is the purpose of you posting random quotes from any book written by other men,
to which you yourself do not comprehend nor will ever attempt to give us any explanation whatsoever
for the fear of knowing if you try to do so, you will only become entangled within your own words
and prove what we already have known of you all alone.

What does this do for you?
The purpose is to do the will of God.

Because I don’t explain it to you, you think I don’t know it’s meaning but no the reason is you are not deserving if you were you would keep God’s word and live in His love.

“Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”
Is all this you have said to me here in your post, just your opinions or did God say this to you about me,
and tell you to say this to me for it was His will, or is it just your own will to do it?
Which is it?

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Re: Becoming a child of light.

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WinkyDinky wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:03 pm
Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:02 pm
Bobcat wrote: Sat Mar 18, 2023 12:27 am
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:36 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 10:29 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:39 pm
Bobcat wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:56 pm
WinkyDinky wrote: Fri Mar 17, 2023 5:11 pm
Bobcat wrote: Thu Mar 16, 2023 11:14 pm

No it is not Jesus. Deeper.
Please explain, who is it?
What is spirit exactly?
I do not believe you know.
“It is the spirit that gives life the flesh is useless, THE WORDS I SPOKE TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”The son of man.
I do not believe you know or comprehend this you have quoted
from a book to me. You do not even know if it is true or not.

If you do know,
break it down and explain it to us.
That’s not the way it works. God reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets and the son His chosen one.

“The LORD God does nothing without revealing His secrets to His servants the prophets.”

IF YOU CONTINUE IN MY WORD you are truly my disciple THEN YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH and the truth shall set you free.”

“The son can only do what he sees the Father doing, whatever the Father does the son does likewise for the Father loves the son and whatever he does He shows him.”
What is the purpose of you posting random quotes from any book written by other men,
to which you yourself do not comprehend nor will ever attempt to give us any explanation whatsoever
for the fear of knowing if you try to do so, you will only become entangled within your own words
and prove what we already have known of you all alone.

What does this do for you?
The purpose is to do the will of God.

Because I don’t explain it to you, you think I don’t know it’s meaning but no the reason is you are not deserving if you were you would keep God’s word and live in His love.

“Whoever speaks on his own seeks his own glory but he who seeks the glory of the One who sent him is truthful and there is no unrighteousness in him.”
Is all this you have said to me here in your post, just your opinions or did God say this to you about me,
and tell you to say this to me for it was His will, or is it just your own will to do it?
Which is it?
I can do nothing on my own, I only say what the LORD has taught me for the One who sent me is with me He has not deserted me because I always do what pleases Him.

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