The speech of the upright!

[Bobcat]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

[Miles]

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Nice I guess, but other Bibles have a much different take on Proverbs 12:6

ERV
Evil people use their words to hurt others, but the words from good people can save others from danger.

CEV
Bad advice is a deadly trap, but good advice is like a shield.

GNT
The words of the wicked are murderous, but the words of the righteous rescue those who are threatened.

TLB
The wicked accuse; the godly defend.

MSG
The words of the wicked kill; the speech of the upright saves.

NOG
The words of wicked people are a deadly ambush, but the words of decent people rescue.

NIRV
The words of those who are evil hide and wait to spill people’s blood. But the speech of those who are honest saves them from traps like that.

NLV
The words of the sinful lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the faithful will take them away from trouble.

VOICE
The words of the wicked ambush from the shadows, seeking blood, but the speech of the honest keeps them free.

And not one of them mentioning "the upright." It's almost as if one could pick and choose what they want Proverbs 12:6 to mean.

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[Bobcat]

[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Nah. Most speak of the upright.

American Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are of lying in wait for blood; But the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

The Bible in Basic English for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of sinners are destruction for the upright; but the mouth of upright men is their salvation.

Common English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deathtrap, but the speech of those who do right rescues them.

Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deathtrap, but the speech of those who do right rescues them.

The Complete Jewish Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

The Darby Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a lying-in-wait for blood; but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

English Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them.

Good News Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are murderous, but the words of the righteous rescue those who are threatened.

Good News Translation w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are murderous, but the words of the righteous rescue those who are threatened.

GOD'S WORD Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of wicked people are a deadly ambush, but the words of decent people rescues.

Hebrew Names Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, But the speech of the upright rescues them.

Jubilee Bible 2000 for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

King James Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

King James Version w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

Lexham English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are] an ambush of blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them.

Septuagint Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of ungodly men are crafty; but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

The Message Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked kill; the speech of the upright saves.

New American Standard Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, But the mouth of the upright will deliver them.

New Century Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The wicked talk about killing people, but the words of good people will save them.

New International Reader's Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of those who are evil hide and wait to spill people's blood. But the speech of those who are honest saves them from traps like that.

New International Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

New King James Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are, "Lie in wait for blood," But the mouth of the upright will deliver them.

New Living Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are like a murderous ambush, but the words of the godly save lives.

New Revised Standard for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.

New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood: the mouth of the just shall deliver them.

Revised Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers men.

Revised Standard Version w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers men.

Third Millennium Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The counsels of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouths of the upright shall deliver them.

Third Millennium Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The counsels of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouths of the upright shall deliver them.

The Webster Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are] to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

World English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, But the speech of the upright rescues them.

Wycliffe for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of wicked men set treason to blood; the mouth of just men shall deliver them. (The words of the wicked set ambush for blood; the words of the righteous shall save them.)

Young's Literal Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are]: `Lay wait for blood,' And the mouth of the upright delivereth them

[TRANSPONDER]

Well, there we go. When the Bible is Interpreted to mean different Dogmas, getting any of which wrong can (at least in some versions of Christianity) send one to Hell, what good does it do any of us to believe any Christian claim.

As we goddless say, "when you agree which god (and religion, denomination and scriptural interpretatiopn) get back to us." Until then Christianity has nothing much to offer.

[Miles]

[Replying to Miles in post #2]

Nah. Most speak of the upright.

American Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are of lying in wait for blood; But the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

The Bible in Basic English for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of sinners are destruction for the upright; but the mouth of upright men is their salvation.

Common English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deathtrap, but the speech of those who do right rescues them.

Common English Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deathtrap, but the speech of those who do right rescues them.

The Complete Jewish Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

The Darby Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a lying-in-wait for blood; but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

English Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them.

Good News Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are murderous, but the words of the righteous rescue those who are threatened.

Good News Translation w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are murderous, but the words of the righteous rescue those who are threatened.

GOD'S WORD Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of wicked people are a deadly ambush, but the words of decent people rescues.

Hebrew Names Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, But the speech of the upright rescues them.

Jubilee Bible 2000 for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

King James Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

King James Version w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

Lexham English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are] an ambush of blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers them.

Septuagint Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of ungodly men are crafty; but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

The Message Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked kill; the speech of the upright saves.

New American Standard Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, But the mouth of the upright will deliver them.

New Century Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The wicked talk about killing people, but the words of good people will save them.

New International Reader's Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of those who are evil hide and wait to spill people's blood. But the speech of those who are honest saves them from traps like that.

New International Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the speech of the upright rescues them.

New King James Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are, "Lie in wait for blood," But the mouth of the upright will deliver them.

New Living Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are like a murderous ambush, but the words of the godly save lives.

New Revised Standard for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.

New Revised Standard w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood: the mouth of the just shall deliver them.

Revised Standard Version for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers men.

Revised Standard Version w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood, but the mouth of the upright delivers men.

Third Millennium Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The counsels of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouths of the upright shall deliver them.

Third Millennium Bible w/ Apocrypha for Proverbs 12:6
6 The counsels of the wicked are to lie in wait for blood, but the mouths of the upright shall deliver them.

The Webster Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are] to lie in wait for blood: but the mouth of the upright shall deliver them.

World English Bible for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked are about lying in wait for blood, But the speech of the upright rescues them.

Wycliffe for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of wicked men set treason to blood; the mouth of just men shall deliver them. (The words of the wicked set ambush for blood; the words of the righteous shall save them.)

Young's Literal Translation for Proverbs 12:6
6 The words of the wicked [are]: `Lay wait for blood,' And the mouth of the upright delivereth them

I never said "most don't speak of the upright." I said "other Bibles have a much different take." In fact, close to 1/3 (30%) of the Bibles I counted.

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[TRANSPONDER]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

There is a sorta Rule that a thread should be asking a question for debate, not just making a statement like as if it was starting off faith -pumping scripture swapping.

What was the question here?

[Bobcat]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

There is a sorta Rule that a thread should be asking a question for debate, not just making a statement like as if it was starting off faith -pumping scripture swapping.

What was the question here?

The question would be, why does Christianity believe Jesus dying on the cross and resurrection gives salvation when scripture says that was not necessary. That belief is misguided because they misunderstand scripture.

[Miles]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

There is a sorta Rule that a thread should be asking a question for debate, not just making a statement like as if it was starting off faith -pumping scripture swapping.

What was the question here?

The question would be, why does Christianity believe Jesus dying on the cross and resurrection gives salvation when scripture says that was not necessary. That belief is misguided because they misunderstand scripture.

Curious, what scripture is that?

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[Bobcat]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

There is a sorta Rule that a thread should be asking a question for debate, not just making a statement like as if it was starting off faith -pumping scripture swapping.

What was the question here?

The question would be, why does Christianity believe Jesus dying on the cross and resurrection gives salvation when scripture says that was not necessary. That belief is misguided because they misunderstand scripture.

Curious, what scripture is that?

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The scripture in the OP.

[TRANSPONDER]

Scripture says the words of the upright deliver them so Jesus’ was not needed for forgiveness of sin.

His death and resurrection were not to save anyone. It was His example of servitude to the Father that was needed so that those who continue in His teaching could be saved.

Jesus agrees with scripture that the words of the upright deliver them when He said;

“By your words you’ll be justified and by your words you’ll be condemned.”

“The words of the wicked are a deadly ambush, but the speech of the upright delivers them.”Proverbs 12:6

There is a sorta Rule that a thread should be asking a question for debate, not just making a statement like as if it was starting off faith -pumping scripture swapping.

What was the question here?

The question would be, why does Christianity believe Jesus dying on the cross and resurrection gives salvation when scripture says that was not necessary. That belief is misguided because they misunderstand scripture.

ok. Fair question. It depends on how one reads Paul. It is clear that salvation depends on believing that Jesus was resurrected. The 'Grace' provided for that to work was obtained by Jesus' obedience up to death, and the shedding of blood can be read as the chemical action that dissolved a loophole through the Law of sin - death, or it was just metaphorical for the act of obedience as far as death. Any Dogmatic assertions on top of that are at best speculative.

So the point of the Op is answered that, according to Paul, the speech that Justifies is asserting that one believes in Jesus as the risen messiah. Though I would imagine that God can read minds, too. The words don't save in themselves (that is, Acts or Works, moral and behaviour don't save) but it is affirmation of belief that saves, given that the Acts of crucifixion provided the thing to say that one believed in.