The last supper

[kjw47]

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

[kjw47]

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

No , it is not clear. Nothing you have stated is written in the 22 chapter of Luke.
You or some one made all this up that you have stated from your imagination.

I wrote facts. The only ones getting saved = the little flock and great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold. The great crowd no man can number, thus the little flock is the 144,000 who will sit on thrones-0 doubt.

The only fact in any of this you have said, is that it is absurdly not factual.

The world be shown shortly this prophecy found in Ezekial about 20 x for then and these last days--They will have to know, i am YHWH(Jehovah)--Then the world will know who was correct.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you kjw47,

Peace to you,

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--

The meaning your religion has given these terms ("little flock"; "other sheep") is merely an interpretation (of men). This is why people do not see the connection that you are making. Because no one - not Christ, not the apostles, not Paul, etc - taught what your religion teaches about these terms. This, however, has been covered in many of the ongoing threads on this topic.

This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year.

Partaking on only one night is also an interpretation of men. No one said that it should only be done on that one night.

Israel ate the manna (of which Christ is the true manna from heaven), every day.

But the important thing is to do what Christ said to do (whether you choose one night or every day or somewhere in the middle - that is between you and Christ).

Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me.

Keep on doing WHAT in remembrance of Him, kjw47?

Please be specific.

What exactly did He say to keep doing in remembrance of Him?

The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake.

Is this what Christ commanded? That 'the great crowd' should observe but not partake? Or is this just a religious tradition, a command and tradition of men?

Its a major sin for them to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.

Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

Most 'teachers' are wrong on this and other matters because they are not listening to Christ.

That goes for the 'teachers' teaching the doctrine you are presenting. Otherwise you (or they) could post a command from Christ that states it would be a major sin for most Christians to partake. But you won't find any such command from Him and that is why you cannot post it. Instead Christ teaches the exact opposite: that anyone may eat, and that the disciples are to obey everything Christ commanded the apostles.


The WTS is using FEAR to keep people from doing as Christ commanded, to keep people obeying them (men/religion) instead. I know it is hard to overcome fear - that is why religion uses it as a tactic to keep people obedient to it (to religion). But who should we be listening to? Christ (and so also His Father)... or men?

Who is the One who has the words of eternal life? (John 6:68)


I know who I will listen to.


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to get a sense of this truth from the One who IS the Truth: Christ Jaheshua. May anyone who wishes also hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Luke 22:29-30-- a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones. = the 144,000 no one else. I understand no other religion on earth has a clue as to the difference between the little flock and great crowd, its why they do not teach on that matter. Darkness is why.

You did not answer a single question that I asked, kjw47.

(I went back and bolded them to make them easier for you to see them.)


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes we should listen to God and his son, but Luke 10:16 assures one must listen to men( that Jesus is their head) the same as listening to Jesus and God--These men-Matt 24:45--Jesus appoints them. The same as he appointed the apostles.

Well, that is one question. But even if what you said were true (**see below): Should we listen to men who teach others NOT to obey everything Christ commanded?

You might need to go back and read the entire post that you keep quoting. Because there are relevant questions in that post that should be answered, especially since your religion is teaching something different than Christ.


(**This is not an accurate representation of Luke 10:16, but that is a discussion that we can save for another thread so as not to distract from this thread.)



Peace again to you.

You must be kidding.

Not at all. This is why I have to wonder if you even read the post of mine that you keep quoting. Please re-read. I highlighted the relevant questions in bold. Though I recommend that you read the entire post for continuity of thought, I will highlight one relevant point:

Its a major sin for them to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.

Peace again to you.

It was a covenant Jesus made to those who sit on thrones.( Luke 22:29-30) Rev is clear, they are numbered-144,000-- So for any others to partake, they would be making themselves like the Pope does and elevates himself into Gods position by being called Holy Father. He fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered all spiritual truth. God is the holy Father, the Pope is not. Its the same principle applied to the unworthy to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.


Peace again.

[WinkyDinky]

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

No , it is not clear. Nothing you have stated is written in the 22 chapter of Luke.
You or some one made all this up that you have stated from your imagination.

I wrote facts. The only ones getting saved = the little flock and great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold. The great crowd no man can number, thus the little flock is the 144,000 who will sit on thrones-0 doubt.

The only fact in any of this you have said, is that it is absurdly not factual.

The world be shown shortly this prophecy found in Ezekial about 20 x for then and these last days--They will have to know, i am YHWH(Jehovah)--Then the world will know who was correct.

You should worry about your sins. They are going to take you down.

[MissKate13]

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

Who was Jesus specificallyspeaking to in Luke 12:32? Who was he referring to as “little flock?

Were the seven churches of Asia the “little flock?” I ask because you cite Rev. 1:6 as proof that they were “the little flock. Where are the seven churches of Asia called “the little flock” in Rev. 1:6?

Where in Luke 12:32 or in the context of Luke 12 does Jesus specify the eternal location of this “little flock?”

[JehovahsWitness]

It was a covenant Jesus made to those who sit on thrones.( Luke 22:29-30) Rev is clear, they are numbered-144,000-- So for any others to partake, they would be making themselves like the Pope does and elevates himself into Gods position by being called Holy Father. He fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered all spiritual truth. God is the holy Father, the Pope is not. Its the same principle applied to the unworthy to partake.

There were in fact TWO covenants in play on that final night

1. The "new covenant" between Jehovah and his adopted Sons to bring them to heaven.
2. The "covenant for a kingdom" between the principal spirit adopted son JESUS and his "brothers" to share his kingdom.

===============================

The majority of mankind have no direct part in either covenant (or agreement)






JW




What are some key covenants mentioned in scripture?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 4#p1010574

What role does the ransom play in the fulfillment of the Abraham covenant?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 8#p1000758

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GOD'S KINGDOM, MILLENIAL RULE and ...BIBLICAL COVENANTS

[kjw47]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you kjw47,

Peace to you,

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--

The meaning your religion has given these terms ("little flock"; "other sheep") is merely an interpretation (of men). This is why people do not see the connection that you are making. Because no one - not Christ, not the apostles, not Paul, etc - taught what your religion teaches about these terms. This, however, has been covered in many of the ongoing threads on this topic.

This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year.

Partaking on only one night is also an interpretation of men. No one said that it should only be done on that one night.

Israel ate the manna (of which Christ is the true manna from heaven), every day.

But the important thing is to do what Christ said to do (whether you choose one night or every day or somewhere in the middle - that is between you and Christ).

Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me.

Keep on doing WHAT in remembrance of Him, kjw47?

Please be specific.

What exactly did He say to keep doing in remembrance of Him?

The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake.

Is this what Christ commanded? That 'the great crowd' should observe but not partake? Or is this just a religious tradition, a command and tradition of men?

Its a major sin for them to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.

Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

Most 'teachers' are wrong on this and other matters because they are not listening to Christ.

That goes for the 'teachers' teaching the doctrine you are presenting. Otherwise you (or they) could post a command from Christ that states it would be a major sin for most Christians to partake. But you won't find any such command from Him and that is why you cannot post it. Instead Christ teaches the exact opposite: that anyone may eat, and that the disciples are to obey everything Christ commanded the apostles.


The WTS is using FEAR to keep people from doing as Christ commanded, to keep people obeying them (men/religion) instead. I know it is hard to overcome fear - that is why religion uses it as a tactic to keep people obedient to it (to religion). But who should we be listening to? Christ (and so also His Father)... or men?

Who is the One who has the words of eternal life? (John 6:68)


I know who I will listen to.


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to get a sense of this truth from the One who IS the Truth: Christ Jaheshua. May anyone who wishes also hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Luke 22:29-30-- a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones. = the 144,000 no one else. I understand no other religion on earth has a clue as to the difference between the little flock and great crowd, its why they do not teach on that matter. Darkness is why.

You did not answer a single question that I asked, kjw47.

(I went back and bolded them to make them easier for you to see them.)


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes we should listen to God and his son, but Luke 10:16 assures one must listen to men( that Jesus is their head) the same as listening to Jesus and God--These men-Matt 24:45--Jesus appoints them. The same as he appointed the apostles.

Well, that is one question. But even if what you said were true (**see below): Should we listen to men who teach others NOT to obey everything Christ commanded?

You might need to go back and read the entire post that you keep quoting. Because there are relevant questions in that post that should be answered, especially since your religion is teaching something different than Christ.


(**This is not an accurate representation of Luke 10:16, but that is a discussion that we can save for another thread so as not to distract from this thread.)



Peace again to you.

You must be kidding.

Not at all. This is why I have to wonder if you even read the post of mine that you keep quoting. Please re-read. I highlighted the relevant questions in bold. Though I recommend that you read the entire post for continuity of thought, I will highlight one relevant point:

Its a major sin for them to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.

Peace again to you.

It was a covenant Jesus made to those who sit on thrones.( Luke 22:29-30) Rev is clear, they are numbered-144,000-- So for any others to partake, they would be making themselves like the Pope does and elevates himself into Gods position by being called Holy Father. He fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered all spiritual truth. God is the holy Father, the Pope is not. Its the same principle applied to the unworthy to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.


Peace again.

1Cor 11:27)-----Only the ones who sit on thrones are worthy-Luke 22:30

[kjw47]

At Luke 22, explains this event much more clear than the other 3 gospels. It is clear at verses 29-30, it was a special covenant made only to the ones who would sit on thrones beside Jesus in Gods kingdom( Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6)-- These are called-The little flock( Luke 12:32) = the anointed= the bride of Christ, numbered at 144,000( Rev 14:3) It was not for the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16)--This event occurred on the night of the passover. It should occur that night once a year. Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. The great crowd out of great respect should go and observe but not partake. Its a major sin for them to partake. Few of the little flock live on earth today, most lived back in Jesus, day.
Read Luke 22. Why are so many teachers wrong about this matter?

Who was Jesus specificallyspeaking to in Luke 12:32? Who was he referring to as “little flock?

Were the seven churches of Asia the “little flock?” I ask because you cite Rev. 1:6 as proof that they were “the little flock. Where are the seven churches of Asia called “the little flock” in Rev. 1:6?

Where in Luke 12:32 or in the context of Luke 12 does Jesus specify the eternal location of this “little flock?”

144,000= the anointed who will sit on thrones. Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6--Since only the little flock and the great crowd( Rev 7:9) of other sheep( John 10:16) not of that fold will get saved. The great crowd no man can number, making the little flock the 144,000.

[kjw47]

It was a covenant Jesus made to those who sit on thrones.( Luke 22:29-30) Rev is clear, they are numbered-144,000-- So for any others to partake, they would be making themselves like the Pope does and elevates himself into Gods position by being called Holy Father. He fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered all spiritual truth. God is the holy Father, the Pope is not. Its the same principle applied to the unworthy to partake.

There were in fact TWO covenants in play on that final night

1. The "new covenant" between Jehovah and his adopted Sons to bring them to heaven.
2. The "covenant for a kingdom" between the principal spirit adopted son JESUS and his "brothers" to share his kingdom.

===============================

The majority of mankind have no direct part in either covenant (or agreement)






JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GOD'S KINGDOM, MILLENIAL RULE and ...1914

One part called-the little flock, the other called the great crowd of other sheep who are not of that fold. They are one flock united in love, peace and unity of thought, yet 2 different future promises. The little flock= heaven, the great crowd= Earth.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

Peace to you kjw47,

Peace to you,



The meaning your religion has given these terms ("little flock"; "other sheep") is merely an interpretation (of men). This is why people do not see the connection that you are making. Because no one - not Christ, not the apostles, not Paul, etc - taught what your religion teaches about these terms. This, however, has been covered in many of the ongoing threads on this topic.



Partaking on only one night is also an interpretation of men. No one said that it should only be done on that one night.

Israel ate the manna (of which Christ is the true manna from heaven), every day.

But the important thing is to do what Christ said to do (whether you choose one night or every day or somewhere in the middle - that is between you and Christ).




Keep on doing WHAT in remembrance of Him, kjw47?

Please be specific.

What exactly did He say to keep doing in remembrance of Him?



Is this what Christ commanded? That 'the great crowd' should observe but not partake? Or is this just a religious tradition, a command and tradition of men?



Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.




Most 'teachers' are wrong on this and other matters because they are not listening to Christ.

That goes for the 'teachers' teaching the doctrine you are presenting. Otherwise you (or they) could post a command from Christ that states it would be a major sin for most Christians to partake. But you won't find any such command from Him and that is why you cannot post it. Instead Christ teaches the exact opposite: that anyone may eat, and that the disciples are to obey everything Christ commanded the apostles.


The WTS is using FEAR to keep people from doing as Christ commanded, to keep people obeying them (men/religion) instead. I know it is hard to overcome fear - that is why religion uses it as a tactic to keep people obedient to it (to religion). But who should we be listening to? Christ (and so also His Father)... or men?

Who is the One who has the words of eternal life? (John 6:68)


I know who I will listen to.


May anyone who wishes them be given ears to hear so as to get a sense of this truth from the One who IS the Truth: Christ Jaheshua. May anyone who wishes also hear as the Spirit (Christ) and the Bride say to you, "Come!" May anyone who wishes and anyone who thirsts, "Come! Take the free gift of the water of Life!"




Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Luke 22:29-30-- a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones. = the 144,000 no one else. I understand no other religion on earth has a clue as to the difference between the little flock and great crowd, its why they do not teach on that matter. Darkness is why.

You did not answer a single question that I asked, kjw47.

(I went back and bolded them to make them easier for you to see them.)


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

Yes we should listen to God and his son, but Luke 10:16 assures one must listen to men( that Jesus is their head) the same as listening to Jesus and God--These men-Matt 24:45--Jesus appoints them. The same as he appointed the apostles.

Well, that is one question. But even if what you said were true (**see below): Should we listen to men who teach others NOT to obey everything Christ commanded?

You might need to go back and read the entire post that you keep quoting. Because there are relevant questions in that post that should be answered, especially since your religion is teaching something different than Christ.


(**This is not an accurate representation of Luke 10:16, but that is a discussion that we can save for another thread so as not to distract from this thread.)



Peace again to you.

You must be kidding.

Not at all. This is why I have to wonder if you even read the post of mine that you keep quoting. Please re-read. I highlighted the relevant questions in bold. Though I recommend that you read the entire post for continuity of thought, I will highlight one relevant point:

Its a major sin for them to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.

If you are going to claim it is a major sin to do something, then shouldn't you be able to show where Christ commanded against it?


Instead, wouldn't the sin be falsely teaching people that they should not obey even this command of Christ? Especially since Christ commanded the apostles to make disciples and teach those disciples to obey EVERYTHING that He had commanded them (the apostles)? Did you not recently post a thread where you said the real disciples obey everything that Christ commanded - every single thing?

Yet here you are saying that it would be a major sin for them TO obey THIS command.

Peace again to you.

It was a covenant Jesus made to those who sit on thrones.( Luke 22:29-30) Rev is clear, they are numbered-144,000-- So for any others to partake, they would be making themselves like the Pope does and elevates himself into Gods position by being called Holy Father. He fathered 0 spiritual truths. God fathered all spiritual truth. God is the holy Father, the Pope is not. Its the same principle applied to the unworthy to partake.

Please provide the teaching from Christ where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.


Peace again.

1Cor 11:27)-----Only the ones who sit on thrones are worthy-Luke 22:30

I will repeat:

Please provide the teaching FROM CHRIST where it is a major sin for a Christian or a disciple of Christ to partake.


(And 1 Corinthians 11 DOES NOT say what you keep trying to claim, as is explained on one of your previous threads: viewtopic.php?p=1113925#p1113925 )



Peace again to you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to tam in post #49]
The truth has been explained on this thread ad nauseum, but you fail to grasp the meaning of the "Last Supper." Either take it or leave it. All we can do is tell you, and it is up to you to accept it or reject it.