As the title suggests, did Jesus even care if he left behind sufficient evidence for his risen self?
Seems as though we have a potential 'dichotomy' going here.... (either/or)?
For Debate:
A) Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?
B) Or, did he maybe instead want to leave the evidence lacking, sketchy, and/or easily dismissible/debatable, in favor of faith?
c) Third, fourth, fifth options are welcome?
Please explain your rationale. Thank you!
Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
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Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #2Assuming JC was a supernatural character I'll pick:POI wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:10 pm As the title suggests, did Jesus even care if he left behind sufficient evidence for his risen self?
Seems as though we have a potential 'dichotomy' going here.... (either/or)?
For Debate:
A) Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?
B) Or, did he maybe instead want to leave the evidence lacking, sketchy, and/or easily dismissible/debatable, in favor of faith?
c) Third, fourth, fifth options are welcome?
Please explain your rationale. Thank you!
Presuming he had a good grasp of human nature, that it was gullible, needy, and generally unsophisticated, my guess is that he found the evidence quite suitable. Particularly knowing faith was waiting in the wings to fill in where ever needed.A) Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #3"Sufficient" being the operative word. It's too subjective a term to lock down any firm conclusions.
I'm unaware of any evidence beyond the quality of hearsay -at best- for drawing conclusions here.For Debate:
A) Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?
B) Or, did he maybe instead want to leave the evidence lacking, sketchy, and/or easily dismissible/debatable, in favor of faith?
c) Third, fourth, fifth options are welcome?
Please explain your rationale. Thank you!
As for me, evidence indicates he left sufficient evidence for plenty folks to become promoters of his, but not enough they'd actually follow his teachings.
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #4I guess I would mean, that Jesus felt he left sufficient evidence for all. And the ones who claim they don't have enough/other, are either stupid, lying, or being blocked by evil.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:43 am"Sufficient" being the operative word. It's too subjective a term to lock down any firm conclusions.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #6I'm pretty sure none of them are actually his words.I have reason to think so, though not conclusive proof, but enough that your claim, admittedly widely accepted, is not one I accept. I don't expect anyone to agree with me.
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #7This does not address the question. Does Jesus feel he left sufficient evidence for anyone to believe he rose from a grave? If so, why do so many not feel there exists sufficient evidence to believe this claim?
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #8I suppose, if I wore my theist hat, I'd say "You can't leave obvious proof, otherwise you would have no value in having Faith". But what an extraordinary condition for being saved from Sins - Having Faith. Christians know this as they keep acting and talking like Good Deeds are the key to being saved, and yet another elephant in an overcrowded debating - room is that Jesusfaith, not Good Deeds is the condition for being saved, and they know this, but pretend to themselves, or at least anyone they can fool, that it is Good deeds that saves, when specifically, it isn't.
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #9But that doesn't go to the issue of his sentiment. The questions were,
"Did Jesus care about leaving sufficient evidence?" and
"Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?"
"Was Jesus pleased with the evidence he left behind, as suitable for belief in him?"
OOPS! I see you already addressed the point, POI. Oh well.
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Re: Did Jesus Care About Leaving Evidence?
Post #10If I can figure out religious belief is built on ether, what does that say about those theists who ain't stupid?POI wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:07 amI guess I would mean, that Jesus felt he left sufficient evidence for all. And the ones who claim they don't have enough/other, are either stupid, lying, or being blocked by evil.JoeyKnothead wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:43 am"Sufficient" being the operative word. It's too subjective a term to lock down any firm conclusions.
It is kind of amusing how some carry on about "the great deceiver", then think they ain't the ones being deceived.
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