What If There Had Been No Resurrection?

[JoeMama]

Christians,

How would your life change if you were to learn that the resurrection of Jesus never occurred?

[TRANSPONDER]

Comment...since they will either never accept that or they will and will drop religion. Which I suppose gives the answer.
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Ah gatta dream terday, friends, like the revered Dr. King, that a lost history will be found in a sand dune at Tell Onmewouldja "Extra Biblical confirmation of Jesus" scream the headlines. Christians dance in the streets, and Go viral thumbing their noses at atheists. Until the whole thing is published.

After the baptist was executed by Antipas on suspicion of building up an army of zealot insurrectionists (on the border with Antipas' enemy, the Nabeateans, no less), some of his followers led by Jesus and his family, mostly, carried on the mission - to rid Judea of the Romans and restore God's Kingdom: Israel ruled by God, not by Rome. The Maccabean revolt being somewhat of a model. Possibly a number of miracles were faked to make Jesus appear the designated messiah. I used to think so, but now I think they are invented stories. What I do think is that Jesus planned the insurrection to start at the Temple in the month of liberation - Tabernacles. He would need support as Pilate would be there with 1000 soldiers (500 garrison plus 500 guard from Caresarea) so he went to recruit 5000 men at Bethsaida. Seated on the grass in companies vof 50 men like any recruiting - drive. That was the recognition of his messianic mission. which is the reconciliation of the synoptic transfiguration and John's 'they wanted to make him a king'.

I'm still in doubt about the big miracles but the planted Bar Timaeus to hail Jesus as 'son of David' might be true because Jesus needed the title for his messianic assault on the Temple. The donkey is put ready for the procession after breakfast, and like a Hoshanah procession (the one 'prophecy' of Jesus that is true , waving palms and shouts of Hosannah, Jesus gets into the Temple and the ruckus starts. The 5000 Galileans may even take over long enough for Jesus to get hold of the priestly robe and hat, as he has to be High Priest as well as king. But Pilate's men prevail even though Jesus Bar Abba (son of God) does murder in the insurrection and most of his Galileans have their blood mingled with their sacrifices. Just as Luke knows from some lost history.

Possibly Jesus escapes to the mount of olives and is grabbed there despite a last defence in which Judas falls headlong gushing blood at the Akeldama or field of blood. Watered down and whitewashed over with 'here are two swords' 'Jesus is horrified 'No violence!'. Have you come out with weapons like I was a bandit? Yes, frankly. Minor injury, healed with another denunciation of violence. Someone protesteth too much.

Pilate has Jesus and any remaining insurrectionists (lestes or 'bandits'/robbers) crucified next day. The Sanhedrin is hardly needed or involved. Jesus is dead, buried, (or dumped); mission failed. There might have a final faked miracle, or faked death using the faked resurrection of Lazarus as a model, but I doubt it now.

Maybe the lost history would relate how the despondent disciples got the idea that the (Adamic/Davidic) spirit Messiah that entered Jesus had left earth and gone back to heaven, but would come again. Jesus' brother, James, head of the party after Jesus' death finally went along with the claim because it would motivate the Nazarenes. And the Romans, aided by their cronies, the Sadducees, did persecute these Jewish messianists. As also when Paul turned Jewish messianism into Greek Messianism.

I doubt the resurrection ever happened. I even doubt the story of the empty tomb, but the reality of the followers of Jesus and their belief in a sort of resurrection I do believe. And also in Paul's perversion of this 'Christianity' into a Gentile - friendly messianism, shorn of Jewish rules and Temple authority, just as Buddhism is Hinduism, shorn of Gods and Brahmin authority. "Romans" is a political document, not a religions one.

That lost history will likely not be found, but if it was, what would Christians do, after the Talpiot pentecost of screaming that Jesus was proven?

Denial and silence (so it's forgotten, like the Talpiot tomb) or more probably 'That is a fake'- they will know that on Faith. I'll bet my buttons on it. But like Darwinism, denial aside, it would lose the Bible a lot of believers. If it was found.

Probably won't be but I still have the dream.

[JehovahsWitness]

Christians,

How would your life change if you were to learn that the resurrection of Jesus never occurred?

Why reinvent the wheel; I don't think anyone could put it better than Paul ...

" if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and your faith is also in vain. 15 Moreover, we are also found to be false witnesses of God,+ because we have given witness against God by saying that he raised up the Christ,+ whom he did not raise up if the dead are really not to be raised up. 16 For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. 17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins.+ 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished.+ 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone." - 1 Corinthians15:14-19

To read more please go to other posts related to...

THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD, THE RESURRECTION and ...FAITH

[Waterfall]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3]
Namaskaram JW

But what if Christ spirit lived on and not his body? If his body was stolen? This changes the hole story and is more reasonable? That our spirit lives on and not the body...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

[Miles]

" if Christ has not been raised up, our preaching is certainly in vain, and your faith is also in vain. 15 Moreover, we are also found to be false witnesses of God,+ because we have given witness against God by saying that he raised up the Christ,+ whom he did not raise up if the dead are really not to be raised up. 16 For if the dead are not to be raised up, neither has Christ been raised up. 17 Further, if Christ has not been raised up, your faith is useless; you remain in your sins.+ 18 Then also those who have fallen asleep in death in union with Christ have perished.+ 19 If in this life only we have hoped in Christ, we are to be pitied more than anyone." - 1 Corinthians15:14-19

So "How would your [JehovahsWitness] life change " if:

• Your preaching was in vain?

• Your faith was in vain?

• You are found to be a false witness against God?

• God did not raise up the dead because they aren't meant to be?

• Your faith was useless?

• You remain in your sins?

• Having fallen asleep in death in union with Christ you will perish?

• You are pitied because you had hope in Christ?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3]

But what if Christ spirit lived on and not his body? ...

I dont know what that means ; it makes no sense.


Scripturally speaking the spirit is just the life force that keeps us alive and it really belongs to God. When God "switches that force off" the person dies, his body decomposes and the person ceases to exist in any form ... anywhere.

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

SOULS, SPIRIT and ... THE CONDITION OF THE DEAD

[Waterfall]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #6]

Namaskaram JW

Where is Christ body? Stolen and buried? Decomposed? Did he cease to exist in any form? Anywhere? What lives on? Our spirit? In books everything is possible, but in reality, there is no walking on water or healing of the ones without legs and so on. What has the Bible to do with reality...



Your friend forever

Waterfall

[JehovahsWitness]

Did he cease to exist in any form?

Yes. Exactly. According to the bible nothing of a person survives death. They cease to exist.

[Athetotheist]

Did he cease to exist in any form?

Yes. Exactly. According to the bible nothing of a person survives death. They cease to exist.

Then where does Jesus get that physical body he's showing off in Luke 24:39?

Or if it was Jesus' physical body, who was driving it after his "life force" was switched off and he ceased to exist?

[Waterfall]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #8]

Namaskaram JW

Where is Christ body? Stolen and buried? Decomposed? Did Christ appear after his death? With a spiritual body? Not his human body that was stolen and buried? So something lives on after the body dies? The spirit? And the spirit has a spiritual body and lives in a spiritual world? And can show itself to us? With Gods permission? That makes sense to me and is what this book is talking about...

https://www.toward-the-light.net/

I like the book Look at the back text at the end of the book "Toward the Light - A divine Revelation in Our Time!" Is that not appealing...



Your friend forever

Waterfall