What has the Bible to do with reality...

[Waterfall]

Namaskaram...

I think we are in fantasyland when the Bible say a man - Noah - lived for 950 years. Why do anybody think it is not just fantasy? Maybe a muslim can help? Do you buy this solution...



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[Adonai Yahweh]

I think we are in fantasyland when the Bible say a man - Noah - lived for 950 years. Why do anybody think it is not just fantasy? Maybe a muslim can help? Do you buy this solution...

In current times it is possible to live up to 160 years . There is a tribe in Pakistan called the Hunza tribe where people can live up to 160 years old , why they live so long is because of the their diet - they eat a plant-based diet and do a lot of manual labour . Another examples is Vietnamese man called Ho Van Lang survived in the jungle for 40 years and died at 52 from cancer when he was integrated into modern society or the Masaai people from East Africa . Back in the biblical times there was no GMO processed foods , technology that exposed people to radiation , diseases were treated through traditional medications , most modes of transports was done by walking or riding animals etc . Your body was kept fit through that daily manual labour tasks that need to be completed . They did not live in the stressful times that we live in now and the number 1 cause of death is stress , it leads to many diseases . So it possible for someone in the biblical days to have lived for over 160 years . What we also need to understand is that the bible is also a historical book meaning that we have to account for the cultural customs and norms practiced during those times . Meaning that we should not assume that 950 years is in accordance to how we currently measure years . What we can deduce from the story of Noah is that he lived much longer than the average man back in those days .

https://www.nomadictribe.com/discover/items/36
https://nypost.com/2021/09/13/vietnams- ... cer-at-52/

[Miles]

Namaskaram...

I think we are in fantasyland when the Bible say a man - Noah - lived for 950 years. Why do anybody think it is not just fantasy? Maybe a muslim can help? Do you buy this solution...

To think that a single cycle of the moon would amount to a year is asinine. Ancient people were well aware of seasonal changes and reoccurring yearly celestial events, such as summer solstices and winter solstices, which only took place every 365 days. So whatever they called this period of 365 days it amounted to a year. If it was modern Hebrew it was called נָשָׁנָה. The Hebrew word for year in Genesis 9:29, where Noah is said to have lived for 950 years, is שָׁנָה and transliterated as šānâ, which Strong's Concordance is said to mean "year."

I'm afraid the host of the video, Abdullahsameer, is abysmally dense and talking through a hole in his head, and it ain't his mouth.

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[fredo]

Thanks for this interesting information!

[Waterfall]

[Replying to Adonai Yahweh in post #2]

Namaskaram Adonai Yahweh

Interesting...

https://solancha.com/meet-the-hunza-peo ... 160-years/

But why does the Bible then say 120 years and not 160 years...

https://www.biblen.info/Ressourcer/1mosk.htm#K6V1

Can we trust anything that book tells us? Is a year not a year and a worldwide flood not a worldwide flood? What to think...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

What about Adam and Eve? Do you believe in that story? I do not. In my book it is said that the first humans were created 5.000.000 years ago by some falling angels. Long story...

https://www.toward-the-light.net/

But lets talk about the stories in the Bible and see if they makes any sense. Where to begin...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Be_fruitful_and_multiply

Was that a good thing to say? Why put children into this world of suffering and death? Did the first humans think over life? Were they more than animals? What were they driven by? The same things as us? Now we come to the story about Adam and Eve. The second creation story. What did Adam and Eve think about this world of suffering and death and children and Paradise and God...









Your friend forever

Waterfall

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I think we are in fantasyland when the Bible say a man - Noah - lived for 950 years. Why do anybody think it is not just fantasy? Maybe a muslim can help? Do you buy this solution...

In current times it is possible to live up to 160 years . There is a tribe in Pakistan called the Hunza tribe where people can live up to 160 years old , why they live so long is because of the their diet - they eat a plant-based diet and do a lot of manual labour . Another examples is Vietnamese man called Ho Van Lang survived in the jungle for 40 years and died at 52 from cancer when he was integrated into modern society or the Masaai people from East Africa . Back in the biblical times there was no GMO processed foods , technology that exposed people to radiation , diseases were treated through traditional medications , most modes of transports was done by walking or riding animals etc . Your body was kept fit through that daily manual labour tasks that need to be completed . They did not live in the stressful times that we live in now and the number 1 cause of death is stress , it leads to many diseases . So it possible for someone in the biblical days to have lived for over 160 years . What we also need to understand is that the bible is also a historical book meaning that we have to account for the cultural customs and norms practiced during those times . Meaning that we should not assume that 950 years is in accordance to how we currently measure years . What we can deduce from the story of Noah is that he lived much longer than the average man back in those days .

https://www.nomadictribe.com/discover/items/36
https://nypost.com/2021/09/13/vietnams- ... cer-at-52/

This is the habitual mistake of theist apologetics - because they can argue that a thing might just be possible is not the same as supposing it to be true. It is only Assuming the religious claim is the default on Faith has them do that, because there is in fact no good evidence for the claim. True, people often do live to a hundred now. There may be a few people who can make it to 160, but the evidence we have is that people only lived to 40 or fifty a couple of hundred years ago and the average life was more like 30 in the Bronze age. So apart from Faith (and maybe God doing a miracle) there is no evidential or logical reason to credit Noah or anyone else living several hundred years.

Wiki.The longevity of Hunza people has been noted by some,[23] but others refute this as a longevity myth promoted by the lack of birth records.[24] There is no evidence that Hunza life expectancy is significantly above the average of poor, isolated regions of Pakistan. Claims of health and long life were almost always based solely on the statements by the local mir (king). An author who had significant and sustained contact with Burusho people, John Clark, reported that they were overall unhealthy.[25]

Rule no 1 - Never accept a claim by a Theist apologist on trust. Check.

[Wootah]

What has the Bible to do with reality.

A good man has a family and children. The children get to eat, food, clothing. They is regardless of their behaviour.

That is the tree of life.

That is reality. My kids get to eat.

But then I also need to expose them to the world in a controlled way. So for instance I don't just throw a baby in the pool but I teach them to swim until one day they can swim for themselves and mediate and judge whether at any given time it is good to swim or not.

That is also reality.

That is the two trees in the garden.

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So, yes, providing for your kids is the tree of life and teaching them morals is the otgher tree. That's relating what people do with or without the Bible to the Bible. We can thus relate the Bible to reality, but do we need to and why should we?

[Waterfall]

[Replying to Wootah in post #7]

Namaskaram Wootah

Have you read this...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life

The tree of life first appears in Genesis 2:9 and 3:22-24 as the source of eternal life in the Garden of Eden, from which access is revoked when man is driven from the garden.

If you have eternal life, then the story has nothing to do with reality? Why are you talking about feeding your children? If you did not feed them they would die very fast. For inspiration...

Come back my soul,
How much longer will
You linger in the garden of deceit?
I have sent you a hundred messages
I have shown you a hundred ways
Either you never read them
Or you ignore my advice.
Come back my soul, do not waste
Time with the cold-hearted
They do not know your worth.
Why do you seek water When you are the stream?
Have you forgotten?
You are the king's falcon,
You are a ray of the Beloved,
A divine wonder!
Rumi

Your friend forever

Waterfall

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[Replying to Waterfall in post #9]

I believe that our pal Wootah recognises that. He (I think he...maybe 'they' would make life easier that the need to feed our kids and teach the Ethics is symbolised by the trees of Life and Knowledge in the garden in the Bible. Thus the Bible relates to Reality, as does your own argument. And mine. I just say that there is no need to relate the realities of Life (feeding people and teaching them ethics) does not need a religion.