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Any thoughts on the reason for the tree of life in the garden?

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rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:51 pm Any thoughts on the reason for the tree of life in the garden?
From what I read, if one ate from it they would gain eternal life.

Genesis 3:22
The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”

Now why god couldn't have simply given man eternal life from the get go is anyone's guess, but my suspicion is that the writer of the fable wanted something to contrast to his tree of knowledge about good and evil. But why knowing about good would be verboten is a strange decree. Why couldnn't the tree be simply one of "knowledge about evil"? Is it not good to know good?


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rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:51 pm Any thoughts on the reason for the tree of life in the garden?
It seems reasonable to assume that the tree of life represented eternal life which, had they have been faithful, Adam and Eve would have been rewarded to eat from
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:46 pm

It seems reasonable to assume that the tree of life represented eternal life which, had they have been faithful, Adam and Eve would have been rewarded to eat from
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But they could have eaten from it at any time prior to them eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil since it wasn't on the forbidden list. The supreme being was taking a chance that they hadn't eaten from it in case they ate from the forbidden one. But even if they did, they apparently could still eat from it because He kicked them out of the garden and wouldn't let them back in so that they couldn't.

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rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:56 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:46 pm

It seems reasonable to assume that the tree of life represented eternal life which, had they have been faithful, Adam and Eve would have been rewarded to eat from

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But they could have eaten from it at any time prior to them eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil since it wasn't on the forbidden list. ...
There is no indication that they knew of this second tree ; Eve made no mention if it and the only other mention of the Tree of life in the Genesis narrative is Gods thoughts about it when they were expelled. If God didn't want them to know of its existence or eat from the Tree of life he was more than capable ensuring they didn't do so by "accident" .
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rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:56 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:46 pm

It seems reasonable to assume that the tree of life represented eternal life which, had they have been faithful, Adam and Eve would have been rewarded to eat from
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But they could have eaten from it at any time prior to them eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil since it wasn't on the forbidden list. The supreme being was taking a chance that they hadn't eaten from it in case they ate from the forbidden one. But even if they did, they apparently could still eat from it because He kicked them out of the garden and wouldn't let them back in so that they couldn't.
An omniscient god taking a chance on A&E not doing what he knew they would do? I don't think so.

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Miles wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:30 pm
rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:51 pm Any thoughts on the reason for the tree of life in the garden?
From what I read, if one ate from it they would gain eternal life.

Genesis 3:22
The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”

Now why god couldn't have simply given man eternal life from the get go is anyone's guess, but my suspicion is that the writer of the fable wanted something to contrast to his tree of knowledge about good and evil. But why knowing about good would be verboten is a strange decree. Why couldnn't the tree be simply one of "knowledge about evil"? Is it not good to know good?


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"Man eats that fruit, he will live forever", does that mean if one eats it every day, or one bite is enough?

Maybe the reason not to give eternal life automatically for all is, then those who are evil, could make life eternal suffering for all.

Why think the fruit gives any knowledge? God doesn't say it gives knowledge, it's name is just the three of knowledge... ...people could have asked anything directly from God, if they wanted to know something. I don't think eating the fruit was about knowledge, but about vanity and idea to become like God.

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Was it ever intended for the fruit from the tree of life to be eaten? And if so, when?

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rstrats wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 8:19 am Was it ever intended for the fruit from the tree of life to be eaten? And if so, when?
Did you see my answer to that question?
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1213 wrote: Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:23 am
Miles wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 5:30 pm
rstrats wrote: Sat Jun 24, 2023 12:51 pm Any thoughts on the reason for the tree of life in the garden?
From what I read, if one ate from it they would gain eternal life.

Genesis 3:22
The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”

Now why god couldn't have simply given man eternal life from the get go is anyone's guess, but my suspicion is that the writer of the fable wanted something to contrast to his tree of knowledge about good and evil. But why knowing about good would be verboten is a strange decree. Why couldnn't the tree be simply one of "knowledge about evil"? Is it not good to know good?


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"Man eats that fruit, he will live forever", does that mean if one eats it every day, or one bite is enough?
Not sure but in as much as most Bibles say "Take from . . . and eat" or "eating some of the fruit," I suppose one bite would be adequate. Although, as the ERV bible puts it, " If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever,” it might be necessary to eat the entire fruit.

Why think the fruit gives any knowledge?
Unless tress are capable of having knowledge---are they?---who's knowledge do you think "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" god is talking about? "Knowledge of" qualifies the good and evil.

God doesn't say it gives knowledge, it's name is just the three of knowledge.
Then why do you think god bothered to use "knowledge of" to qualify the kind of tree it was?

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